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Seems like you Dante and Sandies keep throwing the term around and creating your own echo chamber right out of the Antifa handbook.

Shutting down discussions by overusing Nazi, Racists, KKK etc.

This strategy is way too transparent and frankly quite pathetic
Mate, we're talking about people shouting 'blood and soil', and 'Jews will not replace us', some of whom are wearing swastika's and doing the Hitler salute. If we don't think that's a Nazi, I don't know what to say.


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Dante, by stating that sixty million people had lost their lives fighting the nazis during WWII, Marcus was suggesting that:

1. The entire German nation consisted of nazis, and

2. All those sixty millions were fighting the Germans because they were antifascist themselves ant that was the reason they'd died.

One doesn't have to be a nazi himself to spot the manipulative nature of his statement.
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Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:55 pm

Dante wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:05 pm
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Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:15 pm
Seems like you Dante and Sandies keep throwing the term around and creating your own echo chamber right out of the Antifa handbook.

Shutting down discussions by overusing Nazi, Racists, KKK etc.

This strategy is way too transparent and frankly quite pathetic
Mate, we're talking about people shouting 'blood and soil', and 'Jews will not replace us', some of whom are wearing swastika's and doing the Hitler salute. If we don't think that's a Nazi, I don't know what to say.
The KKK salute is similar to the "Heil Hitler" salute. The difference is in the placement of the thumb. For all intents and purposes though, the similarity approximates a closeness in ideology. I don't know if that is the reality though as I do not know the history of that salute by the KKK.
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Re: Politics thread

Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:42 pm

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Hey Marcus.. it was suggested to you to stop being an idiot but you persist.

Also, you were asked to define the term "Nazi"..

Seems like you Dante and Sandies keep throwing the term around and creating your own echo chamber right out of the Antifa handbook.

Shutting down discussions by overusing Nazi, Racists, KKK etc.

This strategy is way too transparent and frankly quite pathetic
The biggest indication of idiotic in this thread it trying to educate those, like yourself, who do not want to be educated. If you can spare the time from reading the Antifa handbook get yourself a copy of Mein Kampf (German, "My Struggle") it will tell you all that you would want to know about the Nazi ideology, the Neo-Nazi version is the same just newer. If that too daunting a task then at least read http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/exc ... mein-kampf, although that is Jewish web site so I’ll assume you would consider it as “fake news”.

Another excerpt from the same web site;

“Neo-Nazism is a general term for the related fascist, nationalist, white supremacist, antisemitic beliefs and political tendencies of the numerous groups that emerged after World War II seeking to restore the Nazi order or to establish a new order based on doctrines similar to those underlying Nazi Germany. “

If you do not like this description just spend 5 minutes searching, there is no shortage of information for those willing to look. In other threads, I have stated my views of what makes a person a Neo-Nazi, KKK, White Supremacist and Bigots. If you are in a parade and those around you are chanting; racial, anti-Semitic, bigoted hate slogans or 'Hail Victory!' (Sieg Heil), if those around you are wearing white hoods and carrying burning crosses or the “Stars and Bars” or a red flag with a swastika on it and you continue in that parade you are a Neo-Nazi or a KKK member or White Supremacist or just a plain old Bigot.
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Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:37 pm

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If you are in a parade and those around you are chanting; racial, anti-Semitic, bigoted hate slogans or 'Hail Victory!' (Sieg Heil), if those around you are wearing white hoods and carrying burning crosses or the “Stars and Bars” or a red flag with a swastika on it and you continue in that parade you are a Neo-Nazi or a KKK member or White Supremacist or just a plain old Bigot.
So if you are in a stadium of 70 thousand people (let's say OT) watching a football game and 100 hooligans start shouting racist remarks then all of the remaining 69,900 spectators are hooligans and racist?

As Martin has been trying to convince you guys for a while, the so called "Unite the Right" rally had nothing to do with Nazi, Neo-Nazi, KKK etc. People like this apparently have attended the event (It's a free country isn't it?) and the media chose to focus on them and condemn the whole right-wing movement while giving a free pass to the so called antifa who are essentially a violent domestic terrorist organization made up of outright thugs..

I may not be very educated on Nazism but I lived through communism / socialism that those antifa losers worship.

Both ideologies are extreme and idiotic. In fact the Marxist/Communists have murdered more people than the Nazis and yet the Social Marxism that communism was based on appears to be widely accepted as "normal" in western society today, while the so-called Nazis are taking all the blame.

I say "so-called" because the majority of the right wingers have nothing to do with Nazi-ideology they simply have more conservative and traditional views and don't share the leftists suicidal ideology and policies of open borders and uncontrolled mass immigration and because of this all those hard working, tax paying law abiding decent citizens are being called horrific names and labeled as racist, bigots and other ridiculous terms such as xenophobes, white-supremacist and last but not least islamophobes..
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Re: Politics thread

Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:52 am

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Dante, by stating that sixty million people had lost their lives fighting the nazis during WWII, Marcus was suggesting that:

1. The entire German nation consisted of nazis, and

2. All those sixty millions were fighting the Germans because they were antifascist themselves ant that was the reason they'd died.

One doesn't have to be a nazi himself to spot the manipulative nature of his statement.


Stop putting words in my mouth. WW2 germany was led by hitler and his party, hence nazi germany. What is so hard to distinguish? Or you like to dispute that too?
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Re: Politics thread

Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:09 am

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Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:37 pm
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If you are in a parade and those around you are chanting; racial, anti-Semitic, bigoted hate slogans or 'Hail Victory!' (Sieg Heil), if those around you are wearing white hoods and carrying burning crosses or the “Stars and Bars” or a red flag with a swastika on it and you continue in that parade you are a Neo-Nazi or a KKK member or White Supremacist or just a plain old Bigot.
So if you are in a stadium of 70 thousand people (let's say OT) watching a football game and 100 hooligans start shouting racist remarks then all of the remaining 69,900 spectators are hooligans and racist?

As Martin has been trying to convince you guys for a while, the so called "Unite the Right" rally had nothing to do with Nazi, Neo-Nazi, KKK etc. People like this apparently have attended the event (It's a free country isn't it?) and the media chose to focus on them and condemn the whole right-wing movement while giving a free pass to the so called antifa who are essentially a violent domestic terrorist organization made up of outright thugs..

I may not be very educated on Nazism but I lived through communism / socialism that those antifa losers worship.

Both ideologies are extreme and idiotic. In fact the Marxist/Communists have murdered more people than the Nazis and yet the Social Marxism that communism was based on appears to be widely accepted as "normal" in western society today, while the so-called Nazis are taking all the blame.

I say "so-called" because the majority of the right wingers have nothing to do with Nazi-ideology they simply have more conservative and traditional views and don't share the leftists suicidal ideology and policies of open borders and uncontrolled mass immigration and because of this all those hard working, tax paying law abiding decent citizens are being called horrific names and labeled as racist, bigots and other ridiculous terms such as xenophobes, white-supremacist and last but not least islamophobes..
Before I reply, can you please answer a few questions ?

Do you know the difference between communism and socialism?

Why you said "the left" worship communism?

For you, who is this "the left" ? Also, who is "the right"?
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Re: Politics thread

Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:29 am

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If you are in a parade and those around you are chanting; racial, anti-Semitic, bigoted hate slogans or 'Hail Victory!' (Sieg Heil), if those around you are wearing white hoods and carrying burning crosses or the “Stars and Bars” or a red flag with a swastika on it and you continue in that parade you are a Neo-Nazi or a KKK member or White Supremacist or just a plain old Bigot.
So if you are in a stadium of 70 thousand people (let's say OT) watching a football game and 100 hooligans start shouting racist remarks then all of the remaining 69,900 spectators are hooligans and racist?

I don't even know where to begin with this
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:09 am

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Dante, by stating that sixty million people had lost their lives fighting the nazis during WWII, Marcus was suggesting that:

1. The entire German nation consisted of nazis, and

2. All those sixty millions were fighting the Germans because they were antifascist themselves ant that was the reason they'd died.

One doesn't have to be a nazi himself to spot the manipulative nature of his statement.


Stop putting words in my mouth. WW2 germany was led by hitler and his party, hence nazi germany. What is so hard to distinguish? Or you like to dispute that too?
This sounds quite different yet. I didn't put any words in you mouth, I only put your own words into the context.
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:22 am

RED3bution wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:55 pm
Dante wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:05 pm
ivandaman wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:15 pm
Seems like you Dante and Sandies keep throwing the term around and creating your own echo chamber right out of the Antifa handbook.

Shutting down discussions by overusing Nazi, Racists, KKK etc.

This strategy is way too transparent and frankly quite pathetic
Mate, we're talking about people shouting 'blood and soil', and 'Jews will not replace us', some of whom are wearing swastika's and doing the Hitler salute. If we don't think that's a Nazi, I don't know what to say.
The KKK salute is similar to the "Heil Hitler" salute. The difference is in the placement of the thumb. For all intents and purposes though, the similarity approximates a closeness in ideology. I don't know if that is the reality though as I do not know the history of that salute by the KKK.
Do you know the history of the kkk? It's the militant wing of the Democratic party, prominent democrats like Robert Byrd were members not all that long ago. A lot of this racist talk coming out of the left is just trying to cover up their own history.
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I have never met a neo Nazi in my entire life, in all honesty I can barely recall ever even seeing one out in public. We are talking about such a tiny minority of people here. It's a dying ideology and not worthy of the media coverage it's receiving. If anything this press and manipulating of reality might help grow something that would probably have died out on it's own.
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I have never met a neo Nazi in my entire life, in all honesty I can barely recall ever even seeing one out in public. We are talking about such a tiny minority of people here. It's a dying ideology and not worthy of the media coverage it's receiving. If anything this press and manipulating of reality might help grow something that would probably have died out on it's own.
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:10 am

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Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:41 pm
Dante, by stating that sixty million people had lost their lives fighting the nazis during WWII, Marcus was suggesting that:

1. The entire German nation consisted of nazis, and

2. All those sixty millions were fighting the Germans because they were antifascist themselves ant that was the reason they'd died.

One doesn't have to be a nazi himself to spot the manipulative nature of his statement.


Stop putting words in my mouth. WW2 germany was led by hitler and his party, hence nazi germany. What is so hard to distinguish? Or you like to dispute that too?
This sounds quite different yet. I didn't put any words in you mouth, I only put your own words into the context.
So, you agree then?
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:11 am

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Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:49 am
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:26 am
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I have never met a neo Nazi in my entire life, in all honesty I can barely recall ever even seeing one out in public. We are talking about such a tiny minority of people here. It's a dying ideology and not worthy of the media coverage it's receiving. If anything this press and manipulating of reality might help grow something that would probably have died out on it's own.
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So what. A woman dies and multiple injured in Charlottvile, that is why the discussion.
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:41 am

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Stop putting words in my mouth. WW2 germany was led by hitler and his party, hence nazi germany. What is so hard to distinguish? Or you like to dispute that too?
This sounds quite different yet. I didn't put any words in you mouth, I only put your own words into the context.
So, you agree then?
Agree with what?

That the Nazi Party ruled in Germany and ruined the land? YES
That WWII was The World vs The Nazis? NO
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If you are in a parade and those around you are chanting; racial, anti-Semitic, bigoted hate slogans or 'Hail Victory!' (Sieg Heil), if those around you are wearing white hoods and carrying burning crosses or the “Stars and Bars” or a red flag with a swastika on it and you continue in that parade you are a Neo-Nazi or a KKK member or White Supremacist or just a plain old Bigot.
So if you are in a stadium of 70 thousand people (let's say OT) watching a football game and 100 hooligans start shouting racist remarks then all of the remaining 69,900 spectators are hooligans and racist?

As Martin has been trying to convince you guys for a while, the so called "Unite the Right" rally had nothing to do with Nazi, Neo-Nazi, KKK etc. People like this apparently have attended the event (It's a free country isn't it?) and the media chose to focus on them and condemn the whole right-wing movement while giving a free pass to the so called antifa who are essentially a violent domestic terrorist organization made up of outright thugs..

I may not be very educated on Nazism but I lived through communism / socialism that those antifa losers worship.

Both ideologies are extreme and idiotic. In fact the Marxist/Communists have murdered more people than the Nazis and yet the Social Marxism that communism was based on appears to be widely accepted as "normal" in western society today, while the so-called Nazis are taking all the blame.

I say "so-called" because the majority of the right wingers have nothing to do with Nazi-ideology they simply have more conservative and traditional views and don't share the leftists suicidal ideology and policies of open borders and uncontrolled mass immigration and because of this all those hard working, tax paying law abiding decent citizens are being called horrific names and labeled as racist, bigots and other ridiculous terms such as xenophobes, white-supremacist and last but not least islamophobes..
First off; the organizers of the Charlottesville march were White Supremacists, White Nationalists, Neo-Nazis and KKK members who had organized the event as a show of force for their groups. The organizers wanted the event called “Unite the Right” however a more appropriate title would have been “Bigots in America Unite”.

To answer your question; if you are in a group of 70,000 and a small group, a 100 or so, start chanting racist and hatred filled slurs then doing anything other than removing them from your group is encouraging them into thinking that their beliefs are acceptable by the group and society in general. The exact same principals apply when the numbers are reversed, if 69,900 are chanting racist and hate slogans and you do nothing to try and prevent it then by your silence you have become part of the problem. History should have already taught us where that road leads.

The organizers of “Bigots in America Unite” where not Civil War buffs trying to protect part of their history, the issue of the Civil War statues being removed is a totally different matter altogether. The permits for this event where requested by the leaders of established White Supremacy and Nationalist groups, David Buke – former head of the KKK and various other Noe-Nazi groups. These groups were organized, well-funded and went to Charlottesville expecting and even anticipating a fight, in my experience if you go looking for a fight it is near impossible not to find one. By many accounts this was the largest gathering of hate groups in America for the last two decades, expecting the media to not to focus on that doesn’t make any sense – especially when one of the participant rams a car into a group of pedestrians.

The attached video, put together by Vice News for HBO, is in my opinion about as fair and unbiased a report or the event leading up to and during Charlottesville that I have come across. There are numerous other reports done by both the left and right media but they all have monkeys to sell.

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Mate, we're talking about people shouting 'blood and soil', and 'Jews will not replace us', some of whom are wearing swastika's and doing the Hitler salute. If we don't think that's a Nazi, I don't know what to say.
The KKK salute is similar to the "Heil Hitler" salute. The difference is in the placement of the thumb. For all intents and purposes though, the similarity approximates a closeness in ideology. I don't know if that is the reality though as I do not know the history of that salute by the KKK.
Do you know the history of the kkk? It's the militant wing of the Democratic party, prominent democrats like Robert Byrd were members not all that long ago. A lot of this racist talk coming out of the left is just trying to cover up their own history.
Wow. Your sense of history is Trumpian. Impressive. Let go of the labels and perhaps free your reasoning. The Left and Right refer to political ideology, Democrats and Republicans refer to names of Political parties. Now, this is where your point works against you.....You're right that Democrats used to occupy the right on the ideology spectrum and so, perhaps logically they courted racists and bigots(KKK). But since the 60's onwards the roles have been reversed. It is the Republicans who occupy this position and continue to court racists and bigots. In that time, those Democrats turned coat and switched to Republican to receive aid and comfort. In short, the old Democrats are the New Republicans and vice versa.....
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Lets make America great again by continuing a 16 years war. Thanks Obama!
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Just stick to your "proven" strategy. Keep repeating Nazi, KKK, Bigots, White Supremacist, and then again Nazi, KKK, Bigots, White Supremacist and so on. Eventually it will make you feel that you've won the argument.
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Before I reply, can you please answer a few questions ?

Do you know the difference between communism and socialism?

Why you said "the left" worship communism?

For you, who is this "the left" ? Also, who is "the right"?
Where did I ask you to reply?? but if you insist, go ahead. More power to you.

Anyway.. From personal experience I grew up in a so-called socialist country where there was only one ruling party. The communist party. According to them Socialism was a transitional state/society that would eventually lead to full blown communism. They used to call it "The bright future". I"m not bullshitting you.

BTW not all was bad in the socialist states. In fact there were probably more good things than bad, but that's a whole different discussion.. All I'm going to say is that my childhood (IMHO) in Bulgaria was much better, safer and enjoyable than my son's childhood in Canada.

The left is generally those who support the democrats in the US, the Liberals in Canada etc. The conservatives in the US/Canada are supposed to be more right leaning, so in theory in the US/Canada their followers should be "the right".

The way I see it right now. The left supports globalist open border and mass migration policies while the right would like more border control, less immigration and more traditional way of living such as following the rules and obeying the laws.

I may have been somewhat wrong saying the left worship "communism", but they do sympathize with the so called "Cultural Marxism" which in recent decades has taken over universities, government institutions, mas media, Academia etc. Also those antifa thugs are regularly seen waving a soviet union flag and burning the american one. They despise capitalism and believe in more socialist leaning Nanny-State societies. welfare for all, all sorts of freebies etc.
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:36 pm

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Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:14 pm
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The KKK salute is similar to the "Heil Hitler" salute. The difference is in the placement of the thumb. For all intents and purposes though, the similarity approximates a closeness in ideology. I don't know if that is the reality though as I do not know the history of that salute by the KKK.
Do you know the history of the kkk? It's the militant wing of the Democratic party, prominent democrats like Robert Byrd were members not all that long ago. A lot of this racist talk coming out of the left is just trying to cover up their own history.
Wow. Your sense of history is Trumpian. Impressive. Let go of the labels and perhaps free your reasoning. The Left and Right refer to political ideology, Democrats and Republicans refer to names of Political parties. Now, this is where your point works against you.....You're right that Democrats used to occupy the right on the ideology spectrum and so, perhaps logically they courted racists and bigots(KKK). But since the 60's onwards the roles have been reversed. It is the Republicans who occupy this position and continue to court racists and bigots. In that time, those Democrats turned coat and switched to Republican to receive aid and comfort. In short, the old Democrats are the New Republicans and vice versa.....
If you were the party of racism and opposing civil rights wouldn't you claim there was an ideological swap with your enemies too? Just declaring you are no longer the party of racism doesn't make it so.

There is only one race based party in the US and you can deny the truth all you want,it doesn't change anything. The republicans want equal rights for all, the dems want to divide, label and prioritize people's rights.
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If you were the party of racism and opposing civil rights wouldn't you claim there was an ideological swap with your enemies too? Just declaring you are no longer the party of racism doesn't make it so.

There is only one race based party in the US and you can deny the truth all you want,it doesn't change anything. The republicans want equal rights for all, the dems want to divide, label and prioritize people's rights.
Sigh. If the first part were that simple, Trump would claim he was the finest truth-telling president in history. He would declare it and someone who mistakenly takes him seriously will seek out piles of evidence showing him lying, thus contradicting his claim.

The fixed thing here is not the Party, I thought I simplified it enough. The party simply adopts an ideology, Left to Right, and once they choose it, they produce a manifesto consistent with that ideology, then the effect is likely that people who identify with that ideology will swamp to that party for aid and comfort.
The democrats catered to the Right and attracted racists, now they have moved towards the left and the Republicans towards the right and they now too have attracted racists over time. I must add that Left and Right is relative in America, not as hardcore as in Europe.

The last sentence in your post is not accurate, in fact it is misleading because it is Trump simple. For brevity I would argue based on your posting that equality of opportunity and equality of outcomes for minorities are what separate the Republican from the Democrat. There is some controversy to the latter but since Diversity is the goal, it becomes a necessary evil. Unfortunately they exist in society.....Can you spot them yourself?
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The republicans want to treat minorities like fellow Americans, the dems want to treat them like minorities, which sounds more racist in that scenario? It's so plain as day but the left have convinced themselves they are morally superior and it's completely blinded them.
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Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:13 pm

Relly wrote:
Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:33 am
That is simply not true. If it was then why is "all lives matter" deemed racist? Maybe the English version is different, but the American, original, version is clear they only care about black people.
This deserves a better reply than I can give at work right now, but I'm not ignoring it.

ivandaman wrote:
Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:27 pm
Anyway.. From personal experience I grew up in a so-called socialist country where there was only one ruling party. The communist party. According to them Socialism was a transitional state/society that would eventually lead to full blown communism. They used to call it "The bright future". I"m not bullshitting you.
I've a feeling that this is affecting how you view this. Almost no one in the UK views socialism as a transitional state to communism. Anyone who does would be viewed as a loon.
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Re: Politics thread

Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:48 pm

Relly wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:35 am
The republicans want to treat minorities like fellow Americans, the dems want to treat them like minorities, which sounds more racist in that scenario? It's so plain as day but the left have convinced themselves they are morally superior and it's completely blinded them.
Behave..... maybe it's because they din't fare so well when treated like fellow Americans that created political opportunity. It's kinda the same way Democrats want to treat White Supremacist acts of extreme violence as Terrorism but the Republicans want to treat them like Patriotism. We know that whoever is on the side of a morally superior position can claim in that instance to have a morally superior outlook on that issue. We can debate the morality if you can but during the American Civil war, the North felt morally superior because of the very acts the South was insisting was State Rights, the Right to deny a race their human Rights against everything the Constitution implied and expressed. It is simply supremacist thinking and morally void.
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