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Re: Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:45 am

I think zlatan could still guide us to a champions league win this season tbh
I agree with your statement

My beef is not with the player but with what he represents
I think anybody that believes he has been brought in for the long term development or improvement of the TEAM has it wtong
I think his value,first and foremost by a distance is the commercial aspect of the situation.

I personally believe he is holding up the development of Martial and Rashford to the point that Rashford,seems to me,to be in total decline
On his odd cameo appearances he looks lost and his natural skill and impulse seems to be vanishing fast

Zlatans skills are undoubted but his physical ability and reactions are not what they were 10 years ago
He is not helped,imo,by the fact that this team doesn't have wingers
I still don't understand why we don't have top wingers having alledgedly gone to get Ronaldo back and Bale

The fans that put Zlatan on a pedastal are being led by the same publicity bullshit that was used to feed Falcao and Schweinsteiger
His great playing days and achievements were at other clubs and not United
I fully expect to see him on the scoresheet against the might of Sunderland and Middlesbrough over the holidays
I even expect to see goals against Hull

Can he win us the "having a laugh" Thursday night European shit trophy?
Possibly
The megastore certainly hopes so

Personally i never want to see that disruptive 6 o'clock competition ever again although i have a horrible feeling it could be back again next season



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Re: Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:33 pm

I think zlatan could still guide us to a champions league win this season tbh
We're not in the champions league :laugh: :laugh:

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Re: Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:58 pm

I think zlatan could still guide us to a champions league win this season tbh
We're not in the champions league :laugh: :laugh:
I'm aware maria. Its what is commonly known as a joke. Sorry if it went over your head the first time you replied
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Re: Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:41 am

I think zlatan could still guide us to a champions league win this season tbh
We're not in the champions league :laugh: :laugh:
I'm aware maria. Its what is commonly known as a joke. Sorry if it went over your head the first time you replied
Sorry your sense of humour is way above my level
I can only apologise

Every time i make a mistake from now on,in anything, i am going to call it a joke

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Re: RE: Re: Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:27 am


We're not in the champions league
I'm aware maria. Its what is commonly known as a joke. Sorry if it went over your head the first time you replied
Sorry your sense of humour is way above my level
I can only apologise

Every time i make a mistake from now on,in anything, i am going to call it a joke
Genuinely was a joke but nevermind. You actually agreed with me the first time you replied to that anyway so why would you pick on it again?
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Re: Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Mon Dec 26, 2016 12:38 pm

rest him :laugh: :laugh:

LMAO

His entire United career will only be about 35 games unless they take up his option in which case his entire United career will be 75 games ish

He is costing over a million pounds a month and at this time of the year there are shirts to be sold to get that back

Why rest him?
Are you saying that his shirt sales will decrease if he is rested? Henrik Larsson was with us for less but still sold shirts....
Larsson came specifically to fill a gap
It was a shrewd piece of management not a shrewd piece of commercialism which is all Zlata is about
He is never going to win us a champions league because we are not in the champions league
He scorers a good number of goals but all against shit teams
He has scored against
Bouremouth
Southampton
Swansea
West Ham
Everton
Crystal Palace
West Brom
and West Ham reserves in the having a laugh cup

He didn't score against Chelsea,Liverpool or Spurs
The one he scored against City was in a game we lost and he missed several chances in the 0-0 draw against the mighty Burnley

The point i am making is that for Manchester United he is not a god nor a legend nor will he be
He will be as quickly forgotten as Laurent Blanc who was another great player who came too late

Now Wazza is a legend and will in the record books for a long long time
His commercial value is obvioulsy the main reason owners and Woodward wanted him but the man does deliver on the pitch.

He scored 11 goals in 16 PL games this season at the age of 35 in a new league.How many players could do that ?. All the other attackers ( Martial , Rooney , Rashford ) are having a shit season so far. None of them are scoring against ''shit'' teams you've mentioned so who else is gonna bring us points ? His Cantona like aura and winner mentality is what we need after a few years of free fall.


I think it was an excellent decision to bring him here.

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Re: Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:37 am

How can you just say Martial and Rashford are having a shit season and leave it at that
How many goals do you think Zlatan would score if they stuck him out of position on the left wing and tell him not to come inside under any circumstances
And by the way play him one game in 3 on average and on the one he gets on for he comes on with 30 minutes left
I respect what he has done his career but he hasn't done it in the big games at United and bear in mind the current big games are ONLY league games and the only two that count are the Liverpool and City games and to a lesser extent Chelsea
He has won nothing with United(not his fault) and has not scored a goal that has stuck in my memory(Ole's goal against Munich,Wazza's overhead against City,Giggs goal in the semi final etc)

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Re: Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:59 am

it's obvious why he's picked ahead of Rashford as a striker. I like Rashford a lot but Zlatan is simply a better player now and we need points badly...The only area Rashford is better is pace. While i don't agree with Jose playing Zlatan in cup games where Rashford could play and kept his sharpness , there's no doubt he is right in playing him in in PL.

Rashford needs to show mental strength because it looks like his confidence is very low and he's going into duels very soft lately. Playing out of position and not playing regulary is a big part in it but he has to overcome it. He can learn a lot from Zlatan this and next season then it's time to step up and be a #1 pick as a striker.

He's been here for a few months, how many years it took for Giggs or Rooney to score those memorable goals you've mentioned.

Only Messi scored more goals in 2016 so it's quite clear he's not finished yet even at 35

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Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:26 pm

it's obvious why he's picked ahead of Rashford as a striker. I like Rashford a lot but Zlatan is simply a better player now and we need points badly...The only area Rashford is better is pace. While i don't agree with Jose playing Zlatan in cup games where Rashford could play and kept his sharpness , there's no doubt he is right in playing him in in PL.

Rashford needs to show mental strength because it looks like his confidence is very low and he's going into duels very soft lately. Playing out of position and not playing regulary is a big part in it but he has to overcome it. He can learn a lot from Zlatan this and next season then it's time to step up and be a #1 pick as a striker.

He's been here for a few months, how many years it took for Giggs or Rooney to score those memorable goals you've mentioned.

Only Messi scored more goals in 2016 so it's quite clear he's not finished yet even at 35
If you think Rashfords mental strength is low what makes you think he will learn anything by being not played much and when he is played he is played out of position
As i keep saying Zlatan's overall performances are noted as being "nothing special" by many observers but that is not to take away from his goals and assists against poor teams
Zlatan has also indeed only been here a few months but there is a serious possibility that his whole career at United will be only 10 months.That's not my fault
He is simply too late in his career to do anything long term for this club
His role,imo is not to teach anybody anything other than to how to press the sale button on the megastore till
I think it sums up his and United's attitude when asked in an interview if he missed anything in Paris.He answered "the big pay cheque"
To declare him as a great player now is just wrong.This level is average and we can't get into the top 4
Yes we are improving but a part of the reason we are playing catch up is Zlatans important misses against Liverpool at 0-0 and Chelsea when only 1-0 down
Unless United get to a cup final i think Zlatans "remembered" goals will be very minimal and even then he still has to score an important goal

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Re: RE: Re: Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:31 am

it's obvious why he's picked ahead of Rashford as a striker. I like Rashford a lot but Zlatan is simply a better player now and we need points badly...The only area Rashford is better is pace. While i don't agree with Jose playing Zlatan in cup games where Rashford could play and kept his sharpness , there's no doubt he is right in playing him in in PL.

Rashford needs to show mental strength because it looks like his confidence is very low and he's going into duels very soft lately. Playing out of position and not playing regulary is a big part in it but he has to overcome it. He can learn a lot from Zlatan this and next season then it's time to step up and be a #1 pick as a striker.

He's been here for a few months, how many years it took for Giggs or Rooney to score those memorable goals you've mentioned.

Only Messi scored more goals in 2016 so it's quite clear he's not finished yet even at 35
Two goals against Boro and he'll top the list!
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Re: RE: Re: Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:10 am

it's obvious why he's picked ahead of Rashford as a striker. I like Rashford a lot but Zlatan is simply a better player now and we need points badly...The only area Rashford is better is pace. While i don't agree with Jose playing Zlatan in cup games where Rashford could play and kept his sharpness , there's no doubt he is right in playing him in in PL.

Rashford needs to show mental strength because it looks like his confidence is very low and he's going into duels very soft lately. Playing out of position and not playing regulary is a big part in it but he has to overcome it. He can learn a lot from Zlatan this and next season then it's time to step up and be a #1 pick as a striker.

He's been here for a few months, how many years it took for Giggs or Rooney to score those memorable goals you've mentioned.

Only Messi scored more goals in 2016 so it's quite clear he's not finished yet even at 35
Two goals against Boro and he'll top the list!
Absolutely
But whilst he's scoring against the mighty Sunderland and Middlesbrough others are scoring against Europe's best
I told you in an earlier post i expected Zlatan to score well over the holidays
Please keep up
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Re: Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:49 am

Just watched the Southampton v Spurs game from last night.
I watched Harry Kane do well after a patchy sort of season so far and it got me thinking about people's attitude to Zlatan and his Manchester United career
I am aware that many of you think he is still a great great player and a teacher etc etc
I personally think he is a mercenary who is using and being used by a similiarly mercenary commercial department at this club
I think it is happening to the detriment of Martial in particular and probably Rashford
I think all the tourists and pilgrims are being mentally manipulated to believe this man will help this team

I was thinking back at the todger banging on all forums last season about Martial
Just the song he has tells you what the fans thought
And now he can barely get a game
So much so that his agent is trying to get him a move to Seville
He appears to have had enough at United and yet you lot insist he should buckle down to learn something

So why did Zlatan join United and equally important why does it appear that nobody else in the Premier League had the slightest interest in signing him
The way i understand it is that Zlatans straight choice was United or China
In China he could win nothing important but get a lot of money.With United,on such a short career he can win nothing important,but get a lot of money
Nobody else was after him.
Those that could afford him were not interested
Chelsea clearly didn't fancy moving Costa to the wing and play Zlatan up front
City didn't fancy moving Aguero to the wing either
If either had believed he was still so good and a teacher,as you lot do,then he wouldn't be with us
Spurs gave Kane an improved contract
Even Arsenal,who are not strong at centre forward didn't try for him

So he now has helped us into 6th which is no fornicating use to anybody
He has got Rashford at an all time low and Martial hinting he wants away
And you lot think that's good!!

All that is likely to happen is that Zlatan and Wazza and Carrick will move on at the same time leaving us looking for a knackered old shirt seller to play alongside Lingaard

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Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:30 pm

Like many on here, Ray, I like to read your comments but sometimes you go "on a bit" haha.

I agree with other posters on here that Big Nose's signing has had a Cantona like effect on the team and but for some really good goal keeping performances by some of the "lesser" teams in the Premiership we could be higher up the table, probably by some 9 points or so.

So, as you like to do, criticise most aspects of the modern day Manchester United, it's very readable but we could easily have been in the top four at this stage of the season.......no doubt!
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Re: Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:48 pm

@Maria I don't get why you desperately try to downplay Zlatan's achievements this season. You even tried to discredit his goal against City because we didn't win. That's quite frankly ridiculous.

He went through a dry patch at some stage but the cold hard fact is that at this stage of the season, he has as many goals as our highest scorer last season. The man scores goals, and if that goal wins you a game, it's worth 3 points. For a few years we haven't really had any player with these sort of numbers regardless of where on the table the opponents on the day sat. So it's definitely a good thing he's here.

Regarding Martial, I love the guy but he's about 21 - most fans last season recognised the need for a senior striker to take the pressure off him and Rashford (or did you not want that yourself?). That's what we have in Zlatan - and he has the sort of return you'd expect from a 27 year old senior striker. Lest we forget, Martial played mostly from the left last season, so he's not necessarily in direct competition with Zlatan for a space in the team. I for one don't actually think his recent form has been too bad, but the manager doesn't seem to think so. If anyone's suffering, it's Rashford and you only hope he gets chances at certain points this season. Shirt seller or not, Ibra was brought in by Jose to score goals, and he's doing exactly that.
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Re: Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:33 pm

@Maria I don't get why you desperately try to downplay Zlatan's achievements this season. You even tried to discredit his goal against City because we didn't win. That's quite frankly ridiculous.

He went through a dry patch at some stage but the cold hard fact is that at this stage of the season, he has as many goals as our highest scorer last season. The man scores goals, and if that goal wins you a game, it's worth 3 points. For a few years we haven't really had any player with these sort of numbers regardless of where on the table the opponents on the day sat. So it's definitely a good thing he's here.

Regarding Martial, I love the guy but he's about 21 - most fans last season recognised the need for a senior striker to take the pressure off him and Rashford (or did you not want that yourself?). That's what we have in Zlatan - and he has the sort of return you'd expect from a 27 year old senior striker. Lest we forget, Martial played mostly from the left last season, so he's not necessarily in direct competition with Zlatan for a space in the team. I for one don't actually think his recent form has been too bad, but the manager doesn't seem to think so. If anyone's suffering, it's Rashford and you only hope he gets chances at certain points this season. Shirt seller or not, Ibra was brought in by Jose to score goals, and he's doing exactly that.
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Re: Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:53 pm

this is going round in circles so i think i'll sum up and leave it at this

I have no objection to United bringing in an ageing player to coach the youngsters on but Zlatan was brought in to sell shirts
If he was indeed brought in to teach then you would have a Zlatan/Martial down the middle pairing followed by a Zlatan/Rashord down the middle pairing to help develop partnerships
What we have is either a Zlatan on his own or Zlatan on his own down the middle with Martial on the left left wing and Rashford on the bench
I did not get the impression last season that either Martial or Rashford were feeling any pressure
In their first season at the club they both looked dangerous,both were developing
Martial,having cost a good fee, scored 17 goals and Rashford scored 8 in only 18 games including some important ones.Pretty good returns imo
The club finished 5th in the league
They are then both fornicated off for a shirt seller who now specialises in scoring unimportant goals whilst the rest of his game is fairly average.You guys think these kids might learn something from that?
However that said Zlatan has moved us up to 6th(Well it must be up from 5th because some of you are very excited about our current improving position)

I suspect that Zlatan and Rooney have serious eyes on China next season
Expect United to sign Zlatan for another year and cash them both in
That will surely help the team won't it :? :?

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Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:45 am

Just checked what games are coming up and here is an opportunity for you guys to get me to eat my words

Through a lot of hard work this team has got itself back on the fringes of the top 4 and need congratulating for doing that
We have,however,what i would consider two defining games coming up and for me these two games will either be a springboard for the rest of the season or a kick back into the long grass
I am making an assumption that United will dispose of Hull in the having a laugh cup and Liverpool will get to the final as well
As such the tournament then becomes important if for no other reason than Liverpool as opponents
Also a league game coming up against Liverpool

If we beat them and Zlatan is influential in both then i will eat my words

Beating Sunderland,Middlesbrough and a 10 man West Ham in a poor game is not important other than it keeps us in things
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Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:13 pm

I guess we just have to look for a striker that score goals but don't sell shirts to please Ray. Martial need to fornicate off soon too, I suspect he is selling more shirts nowadays.
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:46 am

I guess we just have to look for a striker that score goals but don't sell shirts to please Ray. Martial need to fornicate off soon too, I suspect he is selling more shirts nowadays.
I am not sure why you made a statement like that
I am sure you have your reasons

My position is clear
I want us to build a team with a long term objective of winning things

We need a combination of age experience,skill and strength to come together under a long term plan for the future success of the team
The owners priorities appear to make as much money as possible and if the team does well then great and if it doesn't then fornicate off

We had a centre forward that was doing well AND developing nicely
His name is Martial.He was brought in to replace another shirt seller,Falcao,which if i remember correctly was lauded on this forum by some as one of the worlds greats
At that time i said he was a crippled has been who would do very well to make an impact
Well he sold a lot of shirts,got a great song and did fornicate all
He cost the club nothing.In fact he made money but did nothing on the field,which funnily enough is MY preferred place to make your reputation

Now where have i heard the above story again?
Oh yes.His name is Schweinsteiger!!
Old has been with a year in him at best
Cost nothing and made money
Got a great song,sold a lot of shirts and held up the development of the midfield
Praised on this forum by some as an all time great who would massively influence this club
The midfield has now become our main strength since he was made to train with the reserves
Nobody in the squad learned anything off him

Finally they have got rid of him as well
You will forget that Falcao and Schweinsteiger ever play for this club by 2020/21 season

So is this happening anywhere else in the team
I would suggest that Zlatan is holding up the long term development of the striking positions that should be coming along under Martial and Rashford
Both had great promise
Martials agent is now suggesting that he should be allowed to talk to Sevilla.This has not been allowed but the suggestion is not being made because Martial is happy
He is a young kid who is barely playing and is not on a great contract.He is on the same contract as when he signed
He wants to develop,prove himself and earn serious money
Zlatan is stopping that
If you think Zlatan is a hero and carrying this team then that is your opinion.It is just not mine

You will forget Zlatan ever played for this team in 10 years time
This is a club about tradition and community
Your serious Manchester United fan can tell you the names of everybody from Munich and that was 60 years
Your current 50/50 scarf man with 3 ipads,a camera and a mobile phone can't tell you anything about even George Best other than he has a song that somebody has taught him parrot fashion about "going on the piss with Georgie Best"
He hasn't a clue what you are talking about and he definately knows fornicate all about Denis Law
The most he knows about Bobby Charlton is that he has paid £499 plus taxes to sit in his stand

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Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:28 pm

If we hadnt signed a senior striker that will give us 20 plus goals you would be complaining, now that we signed one you're complaining again because he's hindering Rashford and Martial.


Martial had a dip in form when his personal problems started. He's been shit at Euro and Deschamps benched him . Jose also benched him because he had a shitty start.We need results after a few shit seasons so i support Jose decision. Now he seems like he's coming around and will surely get more chances. Also he was playing on the left wing for us and France when his form was fantastic so he's not being left out because of Zlatan.


Now about Schweini. The man is a world cup winner, was a captain for a top club and country, he has won everything. Then he's demoted to reserves and what does he do ? he keeps his head down , train hard like some young prospect trying to prove something, not complaining and he forces his way back to the first team.
If you can't learn from somebody like that then i don't know from who you can.
I agree he's not on the same level he was years ago, otherwise Bayern wouldn't even sell him but he can offer a lot more than for example Fellaini. Proven players with winning mentallity like him and Zlatan are priceless for youth developement. They train togheter and learn to accept only the best is good enough.

Obvioulsy the owners are leeches and want commercial players , but as long as they perfom on the pitch i'm fine with it. Zlatan is performing. I would rather take this new ''Real Madrid '' transfer model we're trying recently than being stuck with the likes of Cleverly , Welbeck...
Owners will take money out of the club no matter what, especially the greedy and shitty ones like ours , that's why they bought it....

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Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:30 pm

Just checked what games are coming up and here is an opportunity for you guys to get me to eat my words
Now why would we want you to eat them? I don't suppose you're that famished besides the board would be empty without your verbosity.
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:55 pm

If we hadnt signed a senior striker that will give us 20 plus goals you would be complaining, now that we signed one you're complaining again because he's hindering Rashford and Martial.


Martial had a dip in form when his personal problems started. He's been shit at Euro and Deschamps benched him . Jose also benched him because he had a shitty start.We need results after a few shit seasons so i support Jose decision. Now he seems like he's coming around and will surely get more chances. Also he was playing on the left wing for us and France when his form was fantastic so he's not being left out because of Zlatan.


Now about Schweini. The man is a world cup winner, was a captain for a top club and country, he has won everything. Then he's demoted to reserves and what does he do ? he keeps his head down , train hard like some young prospect trying to prove something, not complaining and he forces his way back to the first team.
If you can't learn from somebody like that then i don't know from who you can.
I agree he's not on the same level he was years ago, otherwise Bayern wouldn't even sell him but he can offer a lot more than for example Fellaini. Proven players with winning mentallity like him and Zlatan are priceless for youth developement. They train togheter and learn to accept only the best is good enough.

Obvioulsy the owners are leeches and want commercial players , but as long as they perfom on the pitch i'm fine with it. Zlatan is performing. I would rather take this new ''Real Madrid '' transfer model we're trying recently than being stuck with the likes of Cleverly , Welbeck...
Owners will take money out of the club no matter what, especially the greedy and shitty ones like ours , that's why they bought it....
You are comparing apples with pears i am afraid
When they put Schweini in training with the reserves he did not put his head down and work hard
He compalined internally and to the newspapers.if he hadn't you wouldn't know he was training with the reserves
He carried on taking his £1million pound a month salary to compensate himself for the shirt sales(You see he also didn't come on a free/cheap transfer)
He was written off on the clubs records and left out of the European squad
He was stuck back in the first team squad for one reason only and that was a vain attempt to prove he is fit and capable of doing a job to ANY OTHER TEAM that wants him
Having attracted no interest whatsoever he has been left again scratching his balls at home
You call him a world cup winner,which theoretically is correct but so is Pele but he can't play any more either
Bayern of course sold him because he is fornicate but we bought him because gullible United fans treat him like a current world cup winner and buy his shirts
To justify us originally taking him because he WAS a world cup winner is just not sensible
Finally please tell me one United player that appears to have learned anything from "Schweini"

You then agree with me that the owners are leeches but justify it by saying all owners are leeches and take money.
You like the Real Madrid model!!
Is that the model where the owners put in?
In Madrid if you want to control the decision making at the club you have to put money in and buy the likes of Bale and ronaldo and when they are young
I can seriously see United still hopefully chasing Ronaldo when he is 35 or 36 and some idiot here thinking it will be a good idea to sign him at that age

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Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:54 pm

Zlatan missed only 36 games through injury in his entire career ...Sturridge does it in 2 seasons

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Re: Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:00 pm

Zlatan missed only 36 games through injury in his entire career ...Sturridge does it in 2 seasons
When did Sturridge join United?
What's your point and how does that relate to Zlatan getting old?

If you're going to compare relevant knackered old shirt sellers tell me how many games Falcao played or missed for us
Same question using Schweinsteiger

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Re: Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:46 pm

Do you wake up every mornig in cold sweat screaming '' shirt sellers , shirt sellers... '' ?

you really are obsessed with it

knackered old shirt sellers don't score 50 goals in 45 games

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