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Re: Pre Match Discussion: Premier League vs West Brom (h)

3 weeks ago

we're are a 1 man team.Old man Ibra is the only one capabale of taking over and step up. Too many passengers...fornicate pathetic
Don't agree I think we missed Mata just as much - his intelligence always finds space or makes space for others.

Mata is very important i agree, he has that final pass and instinct for scoring.

Who ele is a game changer in this team ? we don't have leaders simple as that

i also don't think i've ever seen a United team with worse crossing that this one. they couldn't hit a barn
100% agree! I've always said & argued with other Utd fans saying Mata is the key & brains of the team. He brings that movement in players spreading the ball & passing the ball into the right channels. Dreading it now, hopefully the current players up their game massively!


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3 weeks ago

Is anyone really surprised about the result?
I think this is our level
Just so predictable.. not enough match winners in this team.LIndgard and Rashford are squad players at best, micki and martial on their day are brilliant, but today were really average.


really don't know what to say..we need to score more goals, it's just frustrating. Apart from Leicester where we scored 4, have we scored more than two goals at old trafford in the league? :think:
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3 weeks ago

The game could've gone for another 90 min and we still wouldn't have scored. That has been our main issue this season. We are missing a couple of creative players that can create some "magic" and unlock defenses.
As many people have mentioned. This is our level. The table doesn't lie
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3 weeks ago

I'm so confused. I was told that without Ibra Pogba and Herrera we'd be the force we should be and take care of cannon fodder like West Brom
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3 weeks ago

don't know why we even brought in Rooney if he can't even try to influence or rally his team as a captain.
poor, very poor performance. too many utility/squad players and no match winners in the squad. if we keep most of these players getting 30+ matches with averaging 70+ minutes on those matches, we won't push into title contention. we need someone who has the hunger to win the match. grab it in the neck and be that man. this is what Ronaldo was, a hard working kid with lots of potential and the elder statesmen, still has quality and help bring in the winning attitude. and he had grown into himself. we have what - Rooney to help the kids?

okay enough of the knee jerk reaction, reacting this match after match especially on home draws. :)

we've almost gifted Fletcher a goal there in the 2nd half as well. how I wish we really have that someone (besides Zlatan) who can really push these players to play great...

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3 weeks ago

i'm glad we're playing with 4 at the back again. Best possible lineup considering the injuries but the bench look very weak. Any more injuries and we're fornicate, we need CB's to stay fit .

any team we put out should be enough to win against small teams like West Brom
We are no better than West Brom and we don't have the class to unlock an average organised team
That said we are not a lot more than an average team ourselves

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A huge opportunity for Miki, I guess.
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Well yes,coach Marcus it was indeed a huge opportunity and he wasted it didn't he
I can't think why
I'm so confused. I was told that without Ibra Pogba and Herrera we'd be the force we should be and take care of cannon fodder like West Brom
No you weren't told that at all
What you were told is that we need to recruit top class players and not top class shirt sellers
This was not a bad result for the club at all
The ground was full of Far Eastern shirt buyers today and with 15 minutes to go the cry of "Wayne Looney" echoed round the ground.
I'don't think i've seen as many ipads this season as i saw held up
But then again i suppose this result was all his fault
we're are a 1 man team.Old man Ibra is the only one capabale of taking over and step up. Too many passengers...fornicate pathetic

That is really really funny :laugh: :laugh:
Never mind Zlatan will soon be back and we can improve hopefully to the 5th we've been all season
What a player eh!!

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3 weeks ago

whats funny ?!? Us being 5th is not a reflection on Ibra who's the only one next to maybe Mata pulling all the attacking weight. It's like saying Sanchez is not a top player because Arsenal are 6th. In both teams there are a lot of chokers with one or two exceptions.

We have Lingard who's the most average player on this team.
Martial who i like very much, is super talented but i have my doubts about his mentallity. He goes into hiding a lot and doesnt have that fire in his eyes.
Rashford is proving he's not ready to be a first choice yet.His first touch , skills and instinct is cleaaly nowhere near Ibra's level. Altough out of these 3 attackers he's most likely to do something.

Ibra is known not to be a one club man, he goes after adventures and excitement...and once we lose him we need a top class replacement.

anyway Europa league should be a priority for CL qualification. Average teams we should eliminate over 2 games despite the chokers in our team. The problem is the final ( if we make it ) where only one game can be a problem if nobody steps up on that night.

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whats funny ?!? Us being 5th is not a reflection on Ibra who's the only one next to maybe Mata pulling all the attacking weight. It's like saying Sanchez is not a top player because Arsenal are 6th. In both teams there are a lot of chokers with one or two exceptions.

We have Lingard who's the most average player on this team.
Martial who i like very much, is super talented but i have my doubts about his mentallity. He goes into hiding a lot and doesnt have that fire in his eyes.
Rashford is proving he's not ready to be a first choice yet.His first touch , skills and instinct is cleaaly nowhere near Ibra's level. Altough out of these 3 attackers he's most likely to do something.

Ibra is known not to be a one club man, he goes after adventures and excitement...and once we lose him we need a top class replacement.

anyway Europa league should be a priority for CL qualification. Average teams we should eliminate over 2 games despite the chokers in our team. The problem is the final ( if we make it ) where only one game can be a problem if nobody steps up on that night.
What's funny??
Your opinion on this team and this club is very funny to me
Being 5th is an exact reflection on Zlatan the great
They have built a club around several shirt sellers of whom Zlatan the great is but one
You have a mentality that somehow this is still a top top player
He is not.
He is intelligent in as much as he doesn't have to do it at the top level anymore to earn hero status
He has scored a few goals against mostly average/poor teams
The general opinion of the supporting supporters,of which you are not one,is that his work rate is non existent,mostly due to his age
He has an ability,that he will never lose to not miss a clinical chance
He is now at testimonial playing age.He will either sign a very lucrative one year extension at United to keep the Swedish shirt buyers in check or he will sign a one year lucrative contract in either China or the USA,whoever values his commercial ability the most
Is he really any different to Bastian the great,who was lauded as a world cup winner,european cup winner etc etc etc who was also finished
In exactly the same mould as Falcoa.
Shirt seller first, team player second,and future player off the radar

I am not sure why you isolate Lingard as an average player
Of course he is but he is cheap and has been here as a major player far too long
Add Jones,Smalling,Rojo,Fellaini and Blind to Depay,Schneiderlin,Cleverley etc

There is not the slightest hint that this club is trying to build a quality squad
It will be manyana "you wait and see" at the end of the season when we buy two more shirt sellers to replace Wazza and Depay's number 7 shirt
Maybe 3 if Zlatan the great doesn't get a fortune to stick it up the Scandinavian market
We actually need about 8 players
A left back,a right back,a Carrick replacement,two wingers,a centre forward and several quality back up mplayers as sod all is coming through the reserves

I love it the way you say Ibra goes after adventure and excitement
Do you really believe that rubbish
He went after money,which he achieved with glory
He now just goes after money
Exactly the same as Yaya Toure at Manchester City
I might even be tempted,in the not too distant future to add Pogba to that statement, as for £90m plus £300k a week he has been shit as a player
His new clothes range does sell well to the Chinese though so he is here to stay

Europa league will be a priority as there is honestly nothing left but you continue to hunt for excitement and reasons for excitement and hope is this total mess of a football club compared to what it was not so long ago
You really have bought into the Glazer ra ra come on down shit haven't you

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Re: Pre Match Discussion: Premier League vs West Brom (h)

3 weeks ago

26 goals is not just a few. Only Messi outscored him by a single goal last year
You've got your mind pre-set that he's here just because he sell shirts that you can't see clearly. You're obsessed with shirt selling and Glazers so you've become deluded.
Do you think Jose was forced to sign him by Glazers because he sell shirts ?
or maybe he saw in him what most fans can see....a top player that can still play at the highest level despite deteriorating physically. And that is why he's here for Jose and the fans.
Glazers obviously wanted him for marketing reasons but without Jose thinking he's good enough he wouldn't be here.

Him playing at testimonial pace still bring better results than others playing with pace but with no purpose.

But hey you and your band of supporting supporters know more than Jose and most experts who rate him.

As for Rojo being average...for those of us that can admit mistakes, we can see that the guy proved us wrong and deserves a spot in the team.He showed mental toughness, great attitude and passion. He's good enough for this club unlike many others. As long as Jose doesnt play him as a LB i'm confident he'll get the job done.

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26 goals is not just a few. Only Messi outscored him by a single goal last year
You've got your mind pre-set that he's here just because he sell shirts that you can't see clearly. You're obsessed with shirt selling and Glazers so you've become deluded.
Do you think Jose was forced to sign him by Glazers because he sell shirts ?
or maybe he saw in him what most fans can see....a top player that can still play at the highest level despite deteriorating physically. And that is why he's here for Jose and the fans.
Glazers obviously wanted him for marketing reasons but without Jose thinking he's good enough he wouldn't be here.

Him playing at testimonial pace still bring better results than others playing with pace but with no purpose.

But hey you and your band of supporting supporters know more than Jose and most experts who rate him.

As for Rojo being average...for those of us that can admit mistakes, we can see that the guy proved us wrong and deserves a spot in the team.He showed mental toughness, great attitude and passion. He's good enough for this club unlike many others. As long as Jose doesnt play him as a LB i'm confident he'll get the job done.
If you want to talk about delusional then i am happy to do so
To mention the current level of ability of Zlatan with Messi is totally deluded
Just as you are deluded to consider mentioning Manchester United alongside Barcelona

Messi is playing in a team that is challenging for the Spanish title again and in the last 8 of the champions league alongside Europe's finest such as Juventus,Real Madrid and Bayern Munich
Messi has scored against all the top teams in the Spanish league
He has scored in league and cup games against Athletico Madrid 4 times,Sevile and Real Sociadad twice
He has scored hat tricks against the Scottish runaway champions Celtic and PSG

Zlatan is in a team that is challenging for 5th spot and has not scored against any of the top English teams
He is playing in the last rounds of a competition that include the mighty Besiktas,Genk,Celta Vigo and other nothing teams

However if i am deluded then you are in total La La land

Now if you think Rojo is anything like top class and that theory is getting to the genuine fans,which by the way it isn't then you MUST be happy with the way this club is going
A lot like Liverpool really isn't it

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Re: Pre Match Discussion: Premier League vs West Brom (h)

3 weeks ago

Celtic are about on the level of Genk.

The comparison made was the number of goals scored in 2016. Not level of ability. You were trying to belittle how often he's scored. Putting the ball in the back of the net is a pretty important part of the game, and Zlatan has done it pretty well for us. He's scored more goals than any other Premier League player across all competitions.
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3 weeks ago

@ Ray

if scoring against smaller teams is so easy then why so few players in the world are capable of reaching his goal tally ? do they not like scoring or they only want to score in big games ? The same small game argument was used by many against Ronaldo, the player you like so much

we play a lot more smaller games than big ones so more points are for the grabs there anyway.

He scored an late equaliser vs Liverpool and late winner in a cup final. those arent small games.

Ibra is not the problem here, other passengers are
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Celtic are about on the level of Genk.

The comparison made was the number of goals scored in 2016. Not level of ability. You were trying to belittle how often he's scored. Putting the ball in the back of the net is a pretty important part of the game, and Zlatan has done it pretty well for us. He's scored more goals than any other Premier League player across all competitions.

You are comparing apples and pears

I agree Celtic are at the level of Genk but they can do no more than run away with the league they are in
This they have done and scored 81 goals in 30 games

I would suggest that United are at the same sort of level as Genk and that is just not acceptable to me
Maybe to you it is.I don't know
But the frightening thing is that they have been at this level,ie Genk level for 4 seasons now.
Just a different style of football under Jose than under Louis but the results are no better.
Zlatan has indeed scored a lot of goals but not too many are important unless you consider the charity shield and capital one cup major trophies

When your friend Joze Ruis was suggesting that Zlatan should be compared with Messi or Sanchez i was pointing out how daft that was
There is a simple test
If all 3 players came up for transfer today who would be in them?
i consider the best teams in Europe over the last 5 seasons are Barcelona,Real Madrid and Bayern Munich.I would hope you might agree
The dark horses trying to catch them up imo are PSG,Monaco,Chelsea and Manchester City
All are trying to build long term squads capable of being around for 4 or 5 seasons.Again would you agree?
So if Messi or Sanchez come up(one won't and one possibly will) then who would be likely to get them.
I would suggest one of the above 7 teams
If Zlatan came up,which he possibly would which one of the above,in your opinion might be in for him
I would suggest none
I think Zlatan will go the same way as Scweinsteiger,which is MLS or China for commercial purposes only

You need to accept this club is not trying to build a successful team.Just a successful business
If you can't see that after 5 years of underinvestment in a class team and over investment in shirt sellers then i will have to give up on your logic
Anybody that still believes in the next season will be a good one theory needs to start reading fairytales
There is no more chance of this team challenging Chelsea and City next season than there is Liverpool challenging them and that for me is just not good enough

I have said many times Zlatan has held up the progress of Martial and Rashford as Rashford is just not a shirt seller

As for defending Rojo as a top class starter, i file that with those that defended Cleverley,Welbeck,Kagawa,Pea,the twins,fat arsed Anderson,Falcao,Schweinsteiger
All not good enough or past it
How long did the pea,Schweinsteiger,Kagawa and Falcoa hang around on daft salaries for no other reason than commercialism
All the above's next moves were into obscurity

There is nothing wrong with Rojo as a squad player.Same comment fo Smalling,Jones,Lingaard burt as top class starters,no chancer

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When your friend Joze Ruis was suggesting that Zlatan should be compared with Messi or Sanchez i was pointing out how daft that was
There is a simple test
If all 3 players came up for transfer today who would be in them?
This test is fairly daft. Zlatan is 35. Messi 29 and Sanchez 28.
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When your friend Joze Ruis was suggesting that Zlatan should be compared with Messi or Sanchez i was pointing out how daft that was
There is a simple test
If all 3 players came up for transfer today who would be in them?
This test is fairly daft. Zlatan is 35. Messi 29 and Sanchez 28.
"A daft test" is just your opinion and not necessarily right anyway
All 3 are the heroes of their respective teams
I didn't put them down as a comparison.Jose Ruis did
I was just clearing his thoughts and you obviously felt obliged to step in and defend him
Messi is going nowhere as he is not for sale
Sanchez wants away as he correctly feels he can play for a better team who have more ambition that just a top 4 place that Arsenal have.Sort of like Di Maria
Zlatan is just after a payday.At United,Shanghai or Real Salt Lake City
Is that a daft comparison or the truth eh?

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Their motivations are irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that Zlatan has been banging them in this season, as he has for the past decade or so. If all three of those players came up for transfer, why on earth do you think any team would choose the 35 year old over the 28 or 29 year old?

You obviously have a problem with him, but Zlatan has been doing his job, which is scoring goals. If you aren't happy with a return of 26 goals, I don't know what would satisfy you.
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3 weeks ago

BBC :

Manchester United manager Jose Mourinho has questioned Luke Shaw's commitment to the Old Trafford club.

The 21-year-old defender has only played 15 times for the Reds this season and has not figured since last month's 1-1 draw against Bournemouth.

And Mourinho claims he compares unfavourably to fellow defenders Ashley Young, Matteo Darmian and Daley Blind.

"I cannot compare the way he trains and commits, the focus, the ambition. He is a long way behind," he said.

Mourinho was asked by reporters whether he expected more from an England international.

"Joe Hart is an English international and is playing on loan in Italy," he responded.

Shaw signed for the club in June 2014 for £27m but he broke his leg in two places during a Champions League game in September 2015 which kept him out of the game for almost a year.

In November, he was criticised by Mourinho for missing the Premier League win over Swansea after he said he was not able to play.

He was not part of the squad for Saturday's 0-0 draw against West Brom, despite United's lengthy injury list with Juan Mata (groin surgery) the latest addition joining defenders Chris Smalling and Phil Jones and midfielder Paul Pogba.

Mourinho, who was criticised by Match of the Day 2 pundit Chris Sutton for his side's lack of attacking threat, is unsure whether the Frenchman will return for Tuesday's Premier League visit of Everton.

"Pogba I cannot say he is ready for Tuesday because I don't know," he said. "I think Mata, Jones and Smalling for a long time, but I don't think Pogba is such a long-term injury as the others."

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Manchester United manager Jose Mourinho has questioned Luke Shaw's commitment to the Old Trafford club.

The 21-year-old defender has only played 15 times for the Reds this season and has not figured since last month's 1-1 draw against Bournemouth.

And Mourinho claims he compares unfavourably to fellow defenders Ashley Young, Matteo Darmian and Daley Blind.

"I cannot compare the way he trains and commits, the focus, the ambition. He is a long way behind," he said.

Mourinho was asked by reporters whether he expected more from an England international.

"Joe Hart is an English international and is playing on loan in Italy," he responded.

Shaw signed for the club in June 2014 for £27m but he broke his leg in two places during a Champions League game in September 2015 which kept him out of the game for almost a year.

In November, he was criticised by Mourinho for missing the Premier League win over Swansea after he said he was not able to play.

He was not part of the squad for Saturday's 0-0 draw against West Brom, despite United's lengthy injury list with Juan Mata (groin surgery) the latest addition joining defenders Chris Smalling and Phil Jones and midfielder Paul Pogba.

Mourinho, who was criticised by Match of the Day 2 pundit Chris Sutton for his side's lack of attacking threat, is unsure whether the Frenchman will return for Tuesday's Premier League visit of Everton.

"Pogba I cannot say he is ready for Tuesday because I don't know," he said. "I think Mata, Jones and Smalling for a long time, but I don't think Pogba is such a long-term injury as the others."
I am not sure what you are quoting here
It is common knowledge that Mata Jones and Smalling are out for most if not all of the rest of the season
Jones has never played more than half of the available games in a season anyway
I would hardly call Smalling a world class player and should have been relegated to a squad player 3 seasons ago
Unfortunately it is difficult to find shirt selling centre halves so e had to settle with one in Bailly
Shaw has not shown 10 minutes of quality since he broke his leg and should have been at Xmas.It looks like they will run out his contract as nobody above Rotherham standard will buy him but they can't afford him
But will United actually replace him or just shuffle what they have(or realistically haven't got)
He's another Anderson unfortunately and he hung around and wasn't replaced for 3 seasons as that costs money
When you are rated behind Ashley Young who is a shit defender and not even a defender actaally,Darmian who just makes me laugh(or should i say cry) and squad player Rojo you are toast but why does Jose even mention it
Just get rid BUT replace with quality
Same for centre half,same for right back,same for wingers,same for Carrick and Rooneys positions
But you wait an see next season!!
Jose will spend hundreds of millions and we will have a great season
Ronaldo and Bale are coming and Aquerro and Sanchez and Neymar
More likely Robben and Pele,who are two top shirt sellers

We need 8 top players not two top shirt sellers
Wait until all your todgers come out when we sign ONE player

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Re: Pre Match Discussion: Premier League vs West Brom (h)

3 weeks ago

Their motivations are irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that Zlatan has been banging them in this season, as he has for the past decade or so. If all three of those players came up for transfer, why on earth do you think any team would choose the 35 year old over the 28 or 29 year old?

You obviously have a problem with him, but Zlatan has been doing his job, which is scoring goals. If you aren't happy with a return of 26 goals, I don't know what would satisfy you.
I am not sure where you think i mentioned that if all 3 became available at the same time then who would a top club choose
Perhaps you would be good enough to point that out so i can learn from my mistake
What i said was that if any or all of the 3 players that Jose Ruis chose as his example and you chose to defend then the teams i consider to be top teams ie Barcelona,Madrid,Bayern Munich etc would be in for Messi and Sanchez but not one would be in for Zlatan.
The only reason anybody would want Zlatan at his required salary would be a club(you note i won't say team) who had commercial only reasons
That narrows it down to two useless leagues in China or America for Zlatan and any top league in the world for Sanchez and Messi

Obviously you have bought into the theory fed to you by the important commercial arm of Manchester United that Zlatan is a hero doing a great job that somehow,but you're not sure how,moves this club forward
I personally believe he has held up the development of two outstanding prospects in Martial and Rashford and has forced the midfield to adapt to a way of playing that helps Zlatan,and Zlatans only now static way of playing
When he is not about they find it hard to adjust to a fast through ball that is needed for Martial and Rashford.
I use West Brom only 24 hours ago as an example
And i think Jose criticising the young lads is just bad
Equally i think Jose criticising West Brom for parking the bus as a reflection of where he now is as a coach
He has employed this tactic for years against potentially superior clubs and the trick is to learn how to break it down not to complain about it

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Re: Pre Match Discussion: Premier League vs West Brom (h)

3 weeks ago

There was a reason I said this game would be a tough one. We couldn't score and we didn't had the chance to defend. :P

Plenty of chances and yet we were goalless.

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Re: Pre Match Discussion: Premier League vs West Brom (h)

3 weeks ago

Another Goal Keeper of the week performance by the opposition..*sigh

But its cool. We keep going on all fronts that we play in and lets see come end of the season. Plenty of football left and I feel positive we will make it
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Re: Pre Match Discussion: Premier League vs West Brom (h)

3 weeks ago

There was a reason I said this game would be a tough one. We couldn't score and we didn't had the chance to defend. :P

Plenty of chances and yet we were goalless.
Front four should have done better.

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Another Goal Keeper of the week performance by the opposition..*sigh

But its cool. We keep going on all fronts that we play in and lets see come end of the season. Plenty of football left and I feel positive we will make it
Inexplicably, I still have the same positive feeling, too.
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Re: Pre Match Discussion: Premier League vs West Brom (h)

3 weeks ago

What game were you watching?
We had 3 shots on target in 90 minutes
Hardly a superhuman goalkeeping performance of the week

I think we will still do well this season and get in the Champions League
And if we don't then we will do well with the new squad next season
And if we don't we will do well with the squad the season after

Welcome to the world of Liverpool fans :laugh: :laugh:

A dose of reality though

Dante thinks that Celtic are at the level of the mighty Genk and i agreed
Difference is that Celtic are already in next years champions league although they have no aspirations to win it but we aren't
That should be a sobering thought but somehow i don't think it will be to you lot

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2 weeks ago

Celtic compete in a different league, where the only way they wouldn't win it is if they literally didn't play half their games.
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