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Saturday 26th August 2017, KO 17:30 BST.

Who will feature heavily this season

Fosu Mensah
35%
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Pereira
29%
5
Axel
29%
5
Mitchell
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0
McTominay
6%
1
Joel
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0
 
Total votes: 17
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Which youngsters will force their way in the side

Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:08 pm

So Rashford is a given. How many of the impressive young players would you say will get their chance


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Re: Which youngsters will force their way in the side

Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:32 pm

I don't know who Joel is.
I can't find anyone of that name in the first team.

Anyway, I have not picked Perreira not because I don't think he is good, but because there is too much competition in his position, same for McTominay, and I think Axel and Tim are both good, can both play a number of positions, and are likely to get more chances in defence.

I think that Angel will also get some games, just because he is too good not to.

Mitchell I am not enormously impressed by as yet.

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Re: Which youngsters will force their way in the side

Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:37 pm

Joel Perreira. 3rd choice keeper
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Re: Which youngsters will force their way in the side

Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:23 pm

Thanks.

That is why I did not place him, as it would seem unlikely to me that the third choice goalie is going to feature heavily this season, barring injury, so I thought I must have forgotten the name of someone else and he did not cross my mind.

Then again, some days, not a lot does! :whistle:

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Re: Which youngsters will force their way in the side

Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:08 pm

I don't think any of them will to be honest but Periera has the best shout, I hope he gets some time in cup games and from the bench but it will be a difficult team barring a number of injuries to get a decent chance this year.

What I didn't get last year was even when games were won, Jose seemed reluctant to give some of the players on the bench a run out for 20/25 mins which I thought was a shame so hopefully he does do that this season.

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Re: Which youngsters will force their way in the side

Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:08 am

I think Tuanzebe stands a good chance of getting minute for no other reason than Jones and Smalling will get injured and we will looking for replacements, Fosu-Mensa will also get game time at RB or even CD for the same reasons. I think that Pereira could provide a totally different look to our midfield and at the same time allow us to rest Herrera and/or Pogba.

I would be jumping for joy if Gomes could get a few cup games.
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:26 am

I think Tuanzebe stands a good chance of getting minute for no other reason than Jones and Smalling will get injured and we will looking for replacements, Fosu-Mensa will also get game time at RB or even CD for the same reasons. I think that Pereira could provide a totally different look to our midfield and at the same time allow us to rest Herrera and/or Pogba.

I would be jumping for joy if Gomes could get a few cup games.
Same here. Fosu Mensan and Tuanzebe will have the most chances to play. Pareira I think Jose will play him in cups game.
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Re: Which youngsters will force their way in the side

Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:43 am

For me, Tunzabe sorts our LB position out. I would definitely look at making him a permanent fixture there
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Re: Which youngsters will force their way in the side

Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:04 am

Fosu Mensan and Tuanzebe will have the most chances to play. Pareira I think Jose will play him in cups game.
Think this is about right. Hope they all get chances, but reckon these are the likeliest candidates.
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Re: Which youngsters will force their way in the side

Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:54 am

I'd like to see Pereira and TFM make their way into the team, but not sure it'll happen this year. TFM, perhaps at RB once in a while, Pereira off the bench if he's lucky.

Are you lot convinced about Tuanzebe? I'm not quite sure about him. I think he'll at very best be a squad player and nothing more (not that we don't need plenty of those in our defence).

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Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:09 pm

I'd like to see Pereira and TFM make their way into the team, but not sure it'll happen this year. TFM, perhaps at RB once in a while, Pereira off the bench if he's lucky.

Are you lot convinced about Tuanzebe? I'm not quite sure about him. I think he'll at very best be a squad player and nothing more (not that we don't need plenty of those in our defence).
In terms Tunzabe - what exactly do we have plenty of? Anyone show his pace? Show his strength? Defensive skill? Willingness to overlap and get pass players?
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:12 pm

I'd like to see Pereira and TFM make their way into the team, but not sure it'll happen this year. TFM, perhaps at RB once in a while, Pereira off the bench if he's lucky.

Are you lot convinced about Tuanzebe? I'm not quite sure about him. I think he'll at very best be a squad player and nothing more (not that we don't need plenty of those in our defence).
In terms Tunzabe - what exactly do we have plenty of? Anyone show his pace? Show his strength? Defensive skill? Willingness to overlap and get pass players?
I said we NEED plenty like him, not HAVE.

Can't say I've seen enough of him to make a judgment as to how good he is though. From what I have seen, he's seemed average at best. It seems your opinion of him is fairly higher. I hope you turn out to be correct about it.

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Re: Which youngsters will force their way in the side

Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:57 pm

I'd like to see Pereira and TFM make their way into the team, but not sure it'll happen this year. TFM, perhaps at RB once in a while, Pereira off the bench if he's lucky.

Are you lot convinced about Tuanzebe? I'm not quite sure about him. I think he'll at very best be a squad player and nothing more (not that we don't need plenty of those in our defence).
In terms Tunzabe - what exactly do we have plenty of? Anyone show his pace? Show his strength? Defensive skill? Willingness to overlap and get pass players?
I said we NEED plenty like him, not HAVE.

Can't say I've seen enough of him to make a judgment as to how good he is though. From what I have seen, he's seemed average at best. It seems your opinion of him is fairly higher. I hope you turn out to be correct about it.
I could be wrong as I have seen him only a handful of times, but what I've seen is better than what we currently have in that position and in general as a defender
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Re: Which youngsters will force their way in the side

Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:01 pm

If my memory serves me right, heaven it's not what it used to be, Tuanzebe has played LB, RB CB and DM. At each case he has done exactly what I want a young player to do; play with hisself, do what was asked of him, doesn't let the moment overwhelm him and takes advantage of his physical attributes and footballing skills. This is about all you can ask of a young player, with experience his decision making will improve as he learns what he can and cannot do in game situations.
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Re: Which youngsters will force their way in the side

Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:40 pm

Both Axel and Tim are 19!

It is hard to believe that sometimes, with their mixture of brawn and responsibility, combined with no little positional and tactical sense.

If we expect them to be the finished article at that age, no one will ever come through.

I remember a young Ronnie, hardly the perfect player, and utterly lacking our formidable defensive minded duo's responsibility.

He did not turn out too bad in spite of that, and I am perfectly happy to let our two positionally flexible young players make the occasional mistake.

They can't progress unless they are allowed that.

I think they give us a surfeit of riches over the back line.

At the moment Shaw is the one with it all to prove.

And Valencia has able deputies.

Carrick and Matic can also help train them for the more tactically demanding role of defensive mid, which they have both played.

When Carrick retires, likely next year, Matic will need backup.

These guys may be able to provide it.

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Re: Which youngsters will force their way in the side

Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:49 pm

On a separate note, is positional flexibility always a good thing?

I mean, in theory it's great that a young player can play across the backline, and in midfield as well. But in practice, do you think it hampers "specialisation" in one position? Whats more desirable?

I'm inclined to favour specialisation, rather than being a jack-of-all-trades. Once in a while, you'll come across an exceptional player who can play several positions with the same consistency and quality, but more often than not, I think being shunted around the field as a young player doesn't allow the kid to become really good at one position by gaining significant experience playing there at a high level.

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Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:12 pm

Positional flexibility for younger player is defiantly a two edge sword. Being able to play multiple position will helps in keeping the player with the 1st team where hopefully they can develop at their best position. The problem comes in when they become a specialist in being flexible, think John O'Shea, they will have good careers in the Premier League but maybe miss out on extended careers at the top clubs because the next round of youngsters are always in the pipeline.
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Re: Which youngsters will force their way in the side

Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:12 pm

I think most of them will go on loan...the one with the best long term future I think is McTominay. Looks to have a bit of everything about himand he's a big unit in midfield which Mourinho likes. Certainly a better option than Fellaini in that sort of role IMO
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Re: Which youngsters will force their way in the side

Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:20 am

I think "positional flexibility" is what they have to accept so as to get into the team ( I don't think they can demand or will demand where they want to play at a young age, but just happy to get into the first team), and then its up to them to try and nail down a spot in their favored position or if they are doing well in a position that they dont favor, they must make that their new specialty
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Re: Which youngsters will force their way in the side

Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:09 am

Positional flexibility for younger player is defiantly a two edge sword. Being able to play multiple position will helps in keeping the player with the 1st team where hopefully they can develop at their best position. The problem comes in when they become a specialist in being flexible, think John O'Shea, they will have good careers in the Premier League but maybe miss out on extended careers at the top clubs because the next round of youngsters are always in the pipeline.
I disagree. John Oshea is rare, most players like fletcher, jones that able to play at a young age play a different positions than the one they preferred. Being flexible allowed them valuable game time and develops their game.
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Re: Which youngsters will force their way in the side

Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:31 am

Positional flexibility is very different for a young player than an older one.

Being played in a variety of positions is an essential part of their learning, as it gives them insight into their other team mates responsibilities in them so that they can co-ordinate effectively whatever position they end up usually playing themselves.

It is also the only way to work out which one they are most talented in.

The best players tend to be the most flexible, as the fundamentals of the game do not change.

The superbly talented Angel for instance just like the young Rooney who whatever his flaws certainly had talent was happy to pick up the gloves when needed, although neither was very physically suited to the job.

Later in their careers it is a different matter, although of course positional changes as they develop and age still occur, Tiery Henri for instance, and Scholes.

But the O'Sheas of the world are perhaps not good enough to nail a place and make them the undeniable choice for it, with the wonderful Beardsley who played for a team short of most things and who would always be prepared to sacrifice himself for the team being the exception.

So I am not at this stage at all worried by our dynamic duo of Axel and Tim's flexibility, and we should enjoy and make use of if

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Re: Which youngsters will force their way in the side

Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:58 am

Being flexible can mean not being able to nail down a place in the side. You also can end up default sub.
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Re: Which youngsters will force their way in the side

Wed Aug 02, 2017 12:50 pm

I definitely think Fosu-Mensah will make an impact

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Re: Which youngsters will force their way in the side

Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:04 pm

Looks like Perreira has secured himself a spot
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Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:02 pm

Positional flexibility for younger player is defiantly a two edge sword. Being able to play multiple position will helps in keeping the player with the 1st team where hopefully they can develop at their best position. The problem comes in when they become a specialist in being flexible, think John O'Shea, they will have good careers in the Premier League but maybe miss out on extended careers at the top clubs because the next round of youngsters are always in the pipeline.
I disagree. John Oshea is rare, most players like fletcher, jones that able to play at a young age play a different positions than the one they preferred. Being flexible allowed them valuable game time and develops their game.
Fletcher wasn't flexible. He was utter shite on the right
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