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nice story Mav.



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John Connelly was my cousin (second cousin really) and he would stop by the house on a regular basis. For my 14 birthday he took me to Old Trafford and I got to meet many of the players before the game. I was absolutely fornicate up.
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OK i 've got half an hour to kill so i'll play along

I have only listed players i know or know well enough to shake hands with and/or know my name

Being born in 1952 i start at the first Busby team that won the 1948 FA Cup

So let's start with Matt Busby himself.I was proud to number him amongst my friends.
Matt had time for everybody.A complete gentleman.It might surprise you to know that Matt never swore.
He would and could bollock you big time but never a swear word.
I regularly meet his family and extended family for dinners

Jack Crompton i used to sit with at Altrincham when i watched the reserves.Jack was a great lover of reserve team and non league football.He passed away last year.Known as "whispering Jack" he was the quietest spoken man you would ever meet.He genuinely had a belief that if you saved your breath you would live longer.He was the last one to pass from that 1948 team so their might be something in that

Stan Perason-Ended up with a post office in Macclesfield until he died a few years ago.I bought some of his ephemera off him about 10 years ago

Charlie Mitten-The Bogota Bandit.United went on tour to America in 1950.He was tapped up by Bogota who offered him them a Kings Ransom to go and play in Argentina which he did.
Busby was very upset .He tried to have him banned for life
When he eventually returned to England United still effectively held his contract.
They refused to play him and refused,initially to transfer him
He ended up working at the dog track as a steward at The White City in Manchester which was 200 yards from Old Trafford

Johnny Morris
By the time i met Johnny it was close to the end
Manchester United produced a TV show on the last 3 survivors of the first Busby winning team
There was only Morris,Crompton and Jonny Anderson left
Basically i was asked to bring in some souvenirs of that era to help trigger their memories
They all came into the studio at Old Trafford with a friend and were told it was not being filmed live and would be edited so to take their time and not worry
Jack Crompton whispered his way through and they couldn't get the sound levels right
Then they moved on to Johnny Morris.I never saw him play but i had heard he was a nasty fornicator on the pitch and had a temper
He had fallen out with Matt Busby when he asked for a rise.There was a big argument and Matt shipped hi off to Derby County
So he sits down and before he starts he pipes up "How much am i getting paid for this?"
They tell him it is a tribute to Matt Busby so there are no payments but he will get some expenses
"How much he demands".Well they weren't expecting this so they rustle up £50 which he says is not enough.
Finally with £200 in his pocket we moved on
First question then "What was it like playing for the great Matt Busby?"
Answer "Crap"
Interviewer with his mouth now open "Why?"
Answer "What did Busby know,what did Busby win?"
Interviewer now needed lip surgery "Well he won a lot of leagues,a lot of FA Cup's a European Cup"
Morris "And what else did he do then?"
Interviewer "Well that's quite a lot isn't it.He built and organised teams including the 1948 Cup winning team"
Morris "No he didn't"
Interviewer "Well who organised your team then?"
Morris-"Allenby Chilton the centre half.Matt used to give the team talk then as we ran out at Old Trafford Allenby would tell us how he really wanted us to play.Busby knew fornicate all"
That took some editing.Good job he didn't carry a grudge for more tan 40 years
He wanted to see what ephemera i had in my collection on him so we met up several times afterwards for coffee.I always paid

Same with Johnny Anderson.
At the show it emerged that he wanted to move from Peterborogh back to Manchester to be near his family for his final years
He had offered the United museum some programmes he had found from his career that he didn't want and had offered them to the museum
He had brought them for the TV interview to collect his £300.He asked me what they were worth as he really needed £500.
There were some very rare items and i told him £2000 minimum
He asked if i would give £500 which i refused
I told him if he really wanted to sell i wouldn't give him less than £2000
He was very happy and took the £2000
He moved back to Manchester and celebrated his 50th wedding anniversary in Manchester to which i and my family were invited
We became firm friends until he passed away

Jeff Whitefoot
The youngest player to ever play for Manchester United when he was only 16
I first met Jeff at a former United players dinner
A very intelligent man whose company i enjoy
He was transferred just before the Munich air disaster and ended up at Nottingham Forest where he won the FA Cup.He is the last surviving member of that team
He still lives in Nottingham but now hates the club for the way it treats old players
He didn't want his family fighting over his medals so i bought them(One United champions and One Forest FA Cup)
I don't see much of him these days but a lovely man

Don Gibson
Joined United in about 1950
He married Matt Busby's daughter Sheena who he eventually got divorced from
I bumped into Don in Blackppol about 15 years ago.
Whenever i go to Blackpool i love to have dinner with Don
A lovely lovely man

Harry McShane-
Father of actor Ian NcShane of Lovejoy fame
Recently passed away

Jackie Blanchflower
Brother of Spurs legend Danny
I first was introduced to Jackie when he was on the after dinner circuit
We used to meet for lunch with our wives in Harpers restaurant in Manchester

John Doherty
Became chairman of the Association of former United players
John could start an argument in an empty room
Not a man to upset but a great characted

Les Olive
Was really a reserve goalkeeper but he loved watching the reserves
We spent many a night at the reserve games
United through and through

Wilf McGuinnes
First met him on the after dinner circuit but great fun
I supplied some of the items for his book including the insurance documents for when he broke his leg and was forced to retire
He told me "you know United got £20,000 and they only gave me £5000"
I told him it was £30k to which he said "no you're wrong Matt told me it was £20k"
I showed him the documents to which he said "Fornicating Busby"

Harry Gregg
I met him through my friend Pat Crerand.
Harry and Paddy are great friends.You can tell that by the way they both enjoy a screaming argument about nothing
If you want to piss Harry off then call him by his actual name which is Henry.
He hates it
He beat cancer and now lives in Ireland
He delights in ringing me up and bollocking me for something he doesn't like
There is plenty he doesn't like

Finally a couple of reserves
Harold Riley
came through the youth ranks but his career stopped dead when he found he was competing for the same position with a young lad called Edwards.
Yep Duncan Edwards
Harold was also an inspired artist so he got a place at the Royal School of Art and ended up working with Lowry of "Matchstick Men" fame
He now has a permanent exhibition in Salford
His paintings sell for huge sums and he supports a large number of charities in the area
Speaks with an Eton accent and is everything you don't think a footballer should be

Finally Tommy Heron
One of my favourites
Tommy was really a reserve but came to the front after Munich for a short time
An average footballer who often got confused by the ball
He knew what body parts were though
He understood ankles and shins and would often kick lumps out of those
For Tommy a football match was a fight in which somebody(he never worked out who) threw a ball on the grass
Still goes to a lot of games and causes arguments at them all

That takes us to Munich

More to come

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Brilliant read that thanks Ray

Remember Harry Greggs grandson posted on here for a while
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Good post Ray. I look forward to the next bit (Y)
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great post Ray!!!

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Awesome Ray. With great power comes great responsibility. More of these post please.
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wow, I'm obviously not that fortunate enough to have 'dinner' or have a proper chill with the players.. but I've met/seen few players briefly.

Lou Macari (outside wembley stadium before stoke-citeh fa cup final)
David Beckham (came to my work place, just said a hello and he smiled back )
Tom Cleverley (was sitting right behind me in the box for utd-bayern last year.. i asked why he wasn't in the squad, and he said he's been dropped lol)
Rio Ferdinand (London book signing)

I think that's it :/
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Bloody hell RAY your a legend in yourself!!! What can I say Wowwwwwww!!!!
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I freaked out David Beckham once, by telling him I knew his bodyguard. That's about the best story I have.
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Could you elaborate on that?
“Bill, how would you like to be manager of the best team in the country?”
And Shankly said: “Why? Is Matt Busby packing it in?”

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His bodyguard was the husband of a friend of my Mums. Becks was signing autographs by the tunnel for the hundred or so people who followed me over the fence into that corner. I've forgotten the blokes name now, as it was over 10 years ago now, but as Becks was signing my book, I told him I knew (we'll call him John), his bodyguard. Becks looked slightly terrified at this, then managed a smile before moving on, without saying a word.
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so moving on past the Munich air disaster

I first regrettably have to say how sad i am to hear of the passing yesterday of Matt Busby's son Sandy
Sandy was a professional football himself playing for Blackburn Rovers
His death came very suddenly and is made even worse,if that's possible by his daughter being very ill on top

The team first patched together after Munich saw Shay Brennan come to the fore
"Bomber" was actually as wild as George Best but just didn't get the publicity
He was a crazy gambler and once owed his local bookie in Seymour Grove,Old trafford, that much money that when he popped in for a bet on the way to a game he was playing in at Old Trafford they locked him in
In those days the team travelled to the games with the fans
They telephoned Matt Busby at Old Trafford and explained the situation and Matt took some money off the turnstiles and sent it down to get his fullback
Bomber regularly came to the old players dinners.He travelled from Watereford in Ireland and was one of our crowd that helped them lock up

Albert Scanlon was another wine women and song man
He never had a penny to his name
We had to buy him his dinner
He ended up as a night watchman at the local soap factory
He never complained about anything(as long as he had a drink)

Warren Bradley was an amateur who along with two others came to United's rescue right after the crash
He and two others came from top amateur club Bishop Auckland and played in the reserves to help out
When Matt recovered he gave him a semi pro contract
Warren was a teacher and after he retired he became a headmaster
He became treasurer to the old players association
I helped him write his memoirs for his grandchildren
He dies about 6 years ago
Phil Chisnall is somebody i regularly meet around the area
He ended up at Liverpool
He has just had a hip replacement job

We often joke at the old players meetings that i am one of only a few present that still has my own hips and knees

So as Matt rebuilt we come into my youth in Manchester in the swinging 60's
My first friend from this era was Pat Crerand
Most of you know my relationship with Pat
I have to take the old sod to every game because nobody else will travel with him as he causes so many arguments

Through Pat i have et many of the 1968 European cup winners

Bestie obviously and i have covered him in an earlier post

The Lawman is always good value
Actually a very shy man by nature who bursts into life when approached.
Denis actualy suffers a bit these days(well he claims he does)
By heading the ball so much he has arthritis in his neck which he claims is only made easier to sleep by a bottle of wine.
Really!!

David Sadler is known as mogadom because of his always laid back attitude
He has recently recovered from throat cancer but is now in good form

I meet Alex Stepney after most games
He now works the nobs lounges at Old Trafford and after each game Alex,Paddy,Norman Whiteside and Jimmy Greenoughget together for a prawn sarnie,a glass of red and a plate of cheese

I met Noel Cantwell after he left
He was a friend of Paddy's and god father to one of Paddy's kids
When United played his old club Peterborough in a friendly Noel turned out even though he was ill
We had a great night at his old pub
He passed shortly after

Nobby was the most unlikely looking footballer you would ever meet
There was nothing of him but he was a nasty fornicator
Another who could cause an argument in an empty room
I remember specifically after one old players dinner the hardy few(aka drunks) got together
These were the ones that had to eventually be throw out by security
Now this night Nobby had the needle as he was travelling down to Portsmouth the next day for an after dinner speech
He didn't want to go and was complaining like mad
It was explained to him that he had taken the booking at it was his own fault
He kept going on and on
Finally to blame somebody one guy,who was at our table stood up and went for a pee
Nobby got the whole tables attention and demanded to know "who that fornicator was" as he had been around for the last 6 dinners or so
He wasn't with any of us but was a harmless fan who just liked sitting around and listening to the stories
So now Nobby has wound everybody up and when the poor sod returns everybody is glaring at him.He didn't know what to do
Nobby unfortunately is not too well these days and his mind is going

so that takes us up to the European Cup win of 1968

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These are the best posts I have read on here for a long while Ray :clap:

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so that takes us up to the European Cup win of 1968
We're waiting :whistle: :P

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Met Smalling just at the last game, you know our only win of the season (so far I hope) in the car park just outside the ticket office at the ground, Charlton and Fellaini last year outside 1999 suite.

Paddy Crerand has been following me around town and every ground I visit ever since I can remember!!! He's everywhere (talk about stalking *grins)

McGuinness is another one I always bump into, always wants me to sit on his lap and buy him a drink in return for some stories. (no, not done that yet) ha ha To be fair he is a great fan of United even after all these years.

Stapleton and Macari in the Treble Suite, still not sure what happened there but ended up having a nice chat and two cups of tea - I do have two hands but one drink at a time would have been just fine - while Macari was staring at the screen for no apparent reason looking more like a countryman staring at a fire-place than anyone even remotely interested in football.

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Superb thread.
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Agreed

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Paddy Crerand has been following me around town and every ground I visit ever since I can remember!!! He's everywhere (talk about stalking *grins)
You may well have met Ray then!
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Is Ray the guy walking around everywhere and I mean everywhere, with Paddy?

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Aye:

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He's got a ton of pics of his memerobilia on his Flickr, well worth checking out.
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Wow fancy that! Small world etc.

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His bodyguard was the husband of a friend of my Mums. Becks was signing autographs by the tunnel for the hundred or so people who followed me over the fence into that corner. I've forgotten the blokes name now, as it was over 10 years ago now, but as Becks was signing my book, I told him I knew (we'll call him John), his bodyguard. Becks looked slightly terrified at this, then managed a smile before moving on, without saying a word.
was it Andy or Ned?

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He was called Daniel.

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Sarah, are you specialised in stalking bodyguards ?
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