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Re: Ched Evans (Convicted Rapist) trains with Sheffield Unit

Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:16 pm

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Carrick 5 Gerrard 0 wrote:Out of every 100 rapes, 40 get reported to the police, only 3 end up spending a day in prison.
Can't just throw numbers like that around and especially without posting a source. I could say there are more men raped in the US than women thanks to the rape culture of the prison system but it would be arguable. So we need a source for this.

If she woke up the next day and regretted it, wouldn't she just want to forget it?
In a word, no.
Expand. Yes she would, if she regretted it, wouldn't she not want others to find out?

Low conviction rates:
https://www.rainn.org/get-information/s ... ting-rates" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 46058.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://leftfootforward.org/2013/02/rape ... in-the-uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/legacy/there ... crime.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Ched Evans (Convicted Rapist) trains with Sheffield Unit

Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:55 pm

Mushy peas wrote:Where are the tons of these situations Relly? Genuine question
Every day news. You see it a lot in the USA and occasionally in Canada, its definitely not uncommon.
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Re: Ched Evans (Convicted Rapist) trains with Sheffield Unit

Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:54 pm

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Mushy peas wrote:Where are the tons of these situations Relly? Genuine question
Every day news.  You see it a lot in the USA and occasionally in Canada, its definitely not uncommon.
anecdotal evidence here mate. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but if you're gonna need better evidence than that.
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Re: Ched Evans (Convicted Rapist) trains with Sheffield Unit

Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:06 am

Carrick 5 Gerrard 0 wrote:Expand. Yes she would, if she regretted it, wouldn't she not want others to find out?
So you're saying nobody has ever, ever got drunk and acted a knob/had sex and then claimed they were spiked because they are embarrassed? I'm not talking about her specifically, but just because she took action, that doesn't prove anything.
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https://www.rainn.org/get-information/s ... ting-rates" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That's in America.
"100,000 assaults"

That can mean anything from an arse pinch to a rape at knife point.
"Estimated"
Those numbers are estimates again, though I think that one is more accurate with the 1 in 16 thing (there is a bullshit American survey that gets quoted all the time claiming 1 in 4).
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Re: Ched Evans (Convicted Rapist) trains with Sheffield Unit

Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:55 am

Well as you don't seem to believe that any of those stats are real, go and find me stats you believe.

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Re: Ched Evans (Convicted Rapist) trains with Sheffield Unit

Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:00 am

If you did not believe your drink was spiked, you wouldn't go all the way to the police esp if none of your mates were there. Police just need to take a blood test. You could easily say your drink was spiked but not go to the police till later and use the excuse out of my system, going to the police next day shows belief. Who would she be hiding her embarrassment from?

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Re: Ched Evans (Convicted Rapist) trains with Sheffield Unit

Fri Nov 14, 2014 12:48 pm

Carrick 5 Gerrard 0 wrote:Well as you don't seem to believe that any of those stats are real, go and find me stats you believe.
It's hard to quantify because of the nature of the crime. They all clearly stated they were estimates as well.

As for that other bit I'll respond later busy atm and going out in a sec.
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Re: Ched Evans (Convicted Rapist) trains with Sheffield Unit

Fri Nov 14, 2014 12:59 pm

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Carrick 5 Gerrard 0 wrote:Well as you don't seem to believe that any of those stats are real, go and find me stats you believe.
It's hard to quantify because of the nature of the crime. They all clearly stated they were estimates as well.

As for that other bit I'll respond later busy atm and going out in a sec.
It's well known by criminal lawyers in this country that juries tend not to believe rape victims. So when you get a conviction you're fairly safe that it's a good one.
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Re: Ched Evans (Convicted Rapist) trains with Sheffield Unit

Fri Nov 14, 2014 1:59 pm

Someone please tell me how this worked out well for the victim if youre playing the "she wanted to be famous and get money off a footballer" card

Shes lot her identity, was forced out of town and slagged off from all over the world purely because of the occupation of her attacker
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Re: Ched Evans (Convicted Rapist) trains with Sheffield Unit

Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:01 pm

Nobody is playing that card.
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Re: Ched Evans (Convicted Rapist) trains with Sheffield Unit

Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:17 pm

Martin wrote:Nobody is playing that card.
Except Ched Evans mates.
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Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:58 pm

People who abuse others on twitter=dullards
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Re: Ched Evans (Convicted Rapist) trains with Sheffield Unit

Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:24 pm

Dante wrote:
Martin wrote:Nobody is playing that card.
Except Ched Evans mates.
He meant people on this thread.
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Re: Ched Evans (Convicted Rapist) trains with Sheffield Unit

Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:45 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 70054.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Ched Evans (Convicted Rapist) trains with Sheffield Unit

Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:32 am

He's a plonker. Also they spelt "tail" wrong.
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Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:30 pm

According to the media, Maltese side Hibernians want to offer Evans a contract, but just read that as he's a convicted sex offender with obligations to have regular face to face meetings with probation officers and this effectively rules him out of working abroad.

I had a thought today, would people be surprised if Evans gets door after door shut in his face and ends up committing suicide? I wouldn't be.

In the eyes of the law, he's served his time, i think he should be allowed to move to Malta and have a second attempt at an honest and decent life.

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Re: Ched Evans (Convicted Rapist) trains with Sheffield Unit

Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:53 pm

In the eyes of the law he must attend these meetings whilst released on license. In 2 years time he can move to Malta.
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Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:36 pm

Proposed move to Oldham has collapsed due to overwhelming (and at times disgusting) pressure from a variety of sources...
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Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:54 pm

He should join Liverpool. No one will protest there
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Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:56 pm

marcus leong wrote:He should join Liverpool. No one will protest there
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Re: Ched Evans (Convicted Rapist) trains with Sheffield Unit

Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:11 am

Good. The deal collapsing, not the threats obviously.

He needs to fornicate off, and concentrate on his appeal. If he wins it (which he won't), he's free to return to football.
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Re: Ched Evans (Convicted Rapist) trains with Sheffield Unit

Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:39 am

Dante wrote:Good. The deal collapsing, not the threats obviously.

He needs to fornicate off, and concentrate on his appeal. If he wins it (which he won't), he's free to return to football.
Amazing how it took 83 days and 2 failed transfers for him to finally issue an "apology*" and call his supporters off harassing and abusing the victim and ruining her life further

*hardly an apology
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Re: Ched Evans (Convicted Rapist) trains with Sheffield Unit

Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:11 am

If I was adamant I was innocent of a crime and was pushing, or had a date, for a retrial, the last thing I would want to do is issue an apology for committing that crime, as it would be a stark admission of guilt.

Right or wrong, that's why there has been no apology.

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Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:21 am

mikey wrote:If I was adamant I was innocent of a crime and was pushing, or had a date, for a retrial, the last thing I would want to do is issue an apology for committing that crime, as it would be a stark admission of guilt.

Right or wrong, that's why there has been no apology.
Obviously he shouldnt apologise before trial, but he shouldve immediately denouncex his supporters forcing the victim to move and change identity 5 times. He shoulve spoke out against that and its only because 2 clubs have pulled out of signing him that hes now done it. His PR team has had a mare
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Re: Ched Evans (Convicted Rapist) trains with Sheffield Unit

Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:35 am

Agreed, I would probably not apologise for something that I believe I'm not guilty of, but I would call out those supporters instantly. It would also be a good PR stunt to be fair.
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