Ben, I really don't know why you attempt to diminish his time at Everton. He was in charge of a side saddled with debt, and got them into the top 7 for the majority of his tenure, even qualifying for the CHampions League once. After he left the next man took the defensive solidity and added to it in the short term before that discipline fell apart and they dropped like a stone.
They finished 11th in the following 2 seasons, and now they have an 'actual talented manager' and an owner willing to spend money, they have risen to the heady heights of erm, seventh.
Yeah but their fans on forums wanted martinez so how can you argue?