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Thank you, this article perfectly lays out how Donald Trump had absolutely nothing to do with this. Good to see you are finally coming around.


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My wife is a psychiatrist. I will ask her just before lunch how I'm doing.

Trump may or may not be an unwitting agent, that is a manipulated agent. The grooming I mentioned does not mean he signed with the KGB. He may have been blackmailed with the contents of that now infamous dossier to advance Russian interest. Intelligence is smoke and mirrors but their methods are pretty standard. I will leave you to add your layers of disbelief on this, I really cannot prove it.

Relly I can see you're a bit nervous for Trump and his political movement. I can assure you that even I am not sure what Trump is, I don't do well with people who are factually-challenged. Trump was denying that there was meddling and now he's saying no collusion with the meddling. There is a case for one, which if successful, can lay grounds for the other.

The Rosenstein quote you put up there is sadly not an explicit disproval of collusion. I do hope you are aware of legalese and I must assume that this is one of its numerous side effects. No fault of yours. The language there is saying that the case being brought forward has no grounds to establish nor does it seek to, collusion. It DOES NOT rule it out though since it cannot by virtue of what the case is about. The exact language has to do with the result of the election, which with or without collusion, could still remain unchanged.

Let me say this in a different language, if my lawyer brings a case to court that I am aggrieved of unfair blanket treatment by the police and indicts a number of police departmental officers, lower rank if you will, it doesn't mean that the very successful police chief is not involved with or did not benefit from that unfair policy or method of policing. They just don't have a case to make of it yet. They may or they may not find anything on further investigation. Before they can get to the top, they first have to prove the existence of this unfair policy. Are you ok with this?

I am confused why you insist they had no preferred candidate. No, while Sanders was at the top of a more liberal movement within the democratic party, he was still regarded as not being centric enough to beat the Republican candidate (Nobody thought Trump was going anywhere). You need a bit of a background knowledge on US main elections, not Primaries to appreciate this. The establishment felt that Hillary Clinton was their best bet and all the available metrics showed the same, different as things turned out.
Unwitting is the whole point. If Trump wasn't involved and diddn't do anything then whatever happened in the background, through other people, has nothing to do with him.

The fact you are still even mentioning the dossier is embarassing for you. It was opposition research, paid for by Hillary, to get a bunch of completely false and unsubstantiated claims of wrong doing from Russia. And there it is, the only russian collusion during the election was Hillary.

They didn't have a preferred candidate, the appeared all along to be trying to disrupt the frontrunner. Hillary was the frontrunner (by the presses account) they went after her, Rubio and Cruz were the frontrunners, they went after them. Come the general election Hillary is the frontrunner again, they go after her. Trump gets elected, now the winner, and the go after him.

And you sir are wrong, CNN and NYT and WAPO may tell you that Hillary was the best chance for the dems, but any analysist with half a brain has said Bernie was their best chance of wining. And I don't need any backgrounds on anything, especially from you, the democratic party has gone so insanely to the left of the spectrum that a crazy, cooky old socialist actually best represents the current democratic party much better than a war mongering, big bank owned "centrist".


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Re: Politics thread

Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:28 pm

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Thank you, this article perfectly lays out how Donald Trump had absolutely nothing to do with this. Good to see you are finally coming around.
That article was simply expressing an opinion on why the author thinks Donald Trump could not have colluded with the Russians. His reason for doubting Trump's collusion charge is ineptitude by him and those around him. Thanks for reading and I'm happy you approve of my sources.


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Re: Politics thread

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My wife is a psychiatrist. I will ask her just before lunch how I'm doing.

Trump may or may not be an unwitting agent, that is a manipulated agent. The grooming I mentioned does not mean he signed with the KGB. He may have been blackmailed with the contents of that now infamous dossier to advance Russian interest. Intelligence is smoke and mirrors but their methods are pretty standard. I will leave you to add your layers of disbelief on this, I really cannot prove it.

Relly I can see you're a bit nervous for Trump and his political movement. I can assure you that even I am not sure what Trump is, I don't do well with people who are factually-challenged. Trump was denying that there was meddling and now he's saying no collusion with the meddling. There is a case for one, which if successful, can lay grounds for the other.

The Rosenstein quote you put up there is sadly not an explicit disproval of collusion. I do hope you are aware of legalese and I must assume that this is one of its numerous side effects. No fault of yours. The language there is saying that the case being brought forward has no grounds to establish nor does it seek to, collusion. It DOES NOT rule it out though since it cannot by virtue of what the case is about. The exact language has to do with the result of the election, which with or without collusion, could still remain unchanged.

Let me say this in a different language, if my lawyer brings a case to court that I am aggrieved of unfair blanket treatment by the police and indicts a number of police departmental officers, lower rank if you will, it doesn't mean that the very successful police chief is not involved with or did not benefit from that unfair policy or method of policing. They just don't have a case to make of it yet. They may or they may not find anything on further investigation. Before they can get to the top, they first have to prove the existence of this unfair policy. Are you ok with this?

I am confused why you insist they had no preferred candidate. No, while Sanders was at the top of a more liberal movement within the democratic party, he was still regarded as not being centric enough to beat the Republican candidate (Nobody thought Trump was going anywhere). You need a bit of a background knowledge on US main elections, not Primaries to appreciate this. The establishment felt that Hillary Clinton was their best bet and all the available metrics showed the same, different as things turned out.

Unwitting is the whole point. If Trump wasn't involved and diddn't do anything then whatever happened in the background, through other people, has nothing to do with him.

The fact you are still even mentioning the dossier is embarassing for you. It was opposition research, paid for by Hillary, to get a bunch of completely false and unsubstantiated claims of wrong doing from Russia. And there it is, the only russian collusion during the election was Hillary.

They didn't have a preferred candidate, the appeared all along to be trying to disrupt the frontrunner. Hillary was the frontrunner (by the presses account) they went after her, Rubio and Cruz were the frontrunners, they went after them. Come the general election Hillary is the frontrunner again, they go after her. Trump gets elected, now the winner, and the go after him.

And you sir are wrong, CNN and NYT and WAPO may tell you that Hillary was the best chance for the dems, but any analysist with half a brain has said Bernie was their best chance of wining. And I don't need any backgrounds on anything, especially from you, the democratic party has gone so insanely to the left of the spectrum that a crazy, cooky old socialist actually best represents the current democratic party much better than a war mongering, big bank owned "centrist".
Trump may or may not be an unwitting agent. It's either way. He certainly doesn't behave like someone who has a duty to defend his own at the expense of Russia.

Apparently you don't want to admit the true origin of that dossier. I want. A Republican sponsored it and only abandoned it when it seemed Trump had all but clinched the Primaries. It was after this that the democrats started footing the bill in preparation for the main elections. Say what you may about this dossier but you cannot disprove that it had some nice inside intelligence on activities of the Kremlin. I can only say that it was tainted because it was intended to be used politically, but it was a reliable piece of intelligence-gathering by Steele as far as the FBI was concerned (they could corroborate some of the intel and some they could not).

Yes they did prefer a candidate. Read my other link and you'd see that their activity later started coalescing around one particular candidate who won the election. Did he win because of them, I don't know, but they certainly didn't try to "hurt" his campaign until like you said after the elections. Redundant much!

Since you would rather not gain an appreciation of US election trends I will simply let the Russians do the favor. But know this, both parties go opposite of their political lean, Repubs lean more left, Democrats lean more right, because the battle in the main is for independents. Sanders was unabashedly liberal. Cheers


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Re: Politics thread

Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:33 pm

Not sure where to put this but I'm sure I didn't want to create a new thread for it. perhaps Fun and games.
This about the man that became the current president of the United States and what I suppose for him and for many of his followers is the Art of the Deal of a the Con man"....Disgusting. happy reading!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/ ... li=BBnb7Kz


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Re: Politics thread

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Wow, you haven't crawled out of your hole in a while. Who the fornicate cares what he did in 1982, look at his properties and business worldwide, obviously he is worth a lot of money. And sorry, nothing about Trump from WaPo can be trusted. Not for a long time, but certainly not since Trump put a target on Amazon, surely Bezos mouthpiece is going to be skewed towards the negative.

I guess you have been quiet because Trump has been killing it as president and is more popular than Obama was at the same point. What are you doing with all the extra money on your paycheck.... sorry, forgot who I was talking to, I mean how are you managing with less foodstamps?


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Re: Politics thread

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Ummm....who the fornicate cares? Lol.

He is worth a lot of money, so you ask why does he have to lie about how much he's got? Insecure much too much. It's a character flaw and follows one. its not an episode of Celebrity Apprenctice.
You are responding to everything and nothing really. Polling has been good for Trump recently, but like I tend to do, I will take the long view. I have been quiet because I can't cram in all the continuous nonsense going on without actually stopping my life to pay attention to the circus. From Stormy to Cohen to Hannity seeking attorney client privilege while claiming he has no relationship with the same attorney. Madness.
That last part is surely you itching for a race to the bottom. You win Relly.


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Re: Politics thread

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Ummm....who the fornicate cares? Lol.

He is worth a lot of money, so you ask why does he have to lie about how much he's got? Insecure much too much. It's a character flaw and follows one. its not an episode of Celebrity Apprenctice.
You are responding to everything and nothing really. Polling has been good for Trump recently, but like I tend to do, I will take the long view. I have been quiet because I can't cram in all the continuous nonsense going on without actually stopping my life to pay attention to the circus. From Stormy to Cohen to Hannity seeking attorney client privilege while claiming he has no relationship with the same attorney. Madness.
That last part is surely you itching for a race to the bottom. You win Relly.
Big shock, Trump has character flaws.... no one knew that :shock:

Everything you mentioned is tabloid fodor, meanwhile the economy is rocking, illegal immigration is down, ISIS is all but gone, North Korea about to be solved, consumer confidence is high, business confidence is high, food stamp participation is way down, illegal immigration is way down.

That's why MSM has to push bullshit like Stormy Daniels that doesn't matter, they have to distract from all the success he is having and his increasing populartity.


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Re: Politics thread

Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:02 pm

Perhaps this is the ultimate effect Donald Trump has had on his followers, a man that believes his own lies, that it doesn't matter who is behind any type of success, so long as the end justifies the means. Maybe so, but there are what you call pyrrhic victories. Hopefully this is not one. I will also participate so I do wish him well but I will not abide stupid.

It will be some time coming yet but these upswing effects his policies are having are due to the lifting restraints that well intended regulations have had on corporations' behavior. You mention these tickers without context and analyses, as I imagine you are sucked in by their bumper sticker appeal. I will leave these to the clarity of long term perspectives.

You will make a better case for bringing up the MSM media if they were reporting something fake. Stormy Daniels is real and more than anything threatens to expose further, Don the Con. I feel tired already. lol. Now this is the reason I don't talk about this clown. Cheers


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What do people make of the Starbucks thing?

Really getting fed up with this sort of thing to be honest.


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Re: Politics thread

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What do people make of the Starbucks thing?

Really getting fed up with this sort of thing to be honest.
Never bow to the far left or to SJWs, they eventually eat their own in the end. I use to be a big starbucks fan, but I don't go very often anymore due to their progressive tendencies and pandering to the far left. Part of me wants to defend them right now and go out and support them, but I would rather watch them crumble because of the stupid decisions they have made.

No matter the race of the people involved, they were loitering, loud, aggressive and refused to leave. The black cop that should up to deal with the situation has confirmed that. The fact they are so worried about being called racist that they won't release their security footage that corroborates the story for fear of being labelled racist and instead are closing all their stores for sensitivity training is beyond a joke. They deserve whatever backlash they get and hopefully black people keep going into starbucks demanding their free coffee until the point it puts them out of business.

Beware bowing to the looney left.


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Re: Politics thread

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Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:58 pm
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What do people make of the Starbucks thing?

Really getting fed up with this sort of thing to be honest.
No matter the race of the people involved, they were loitering, loud, aggressive and refused to leave. The black cop that should up to deal with the situation has confirmed that.
Do you have any evidence of this?


I have my opinion on this but I would also like to point out something else.This is not a trap.


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Re: Politics thread

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RED3bution wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:52 pm
Relly wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:58 pm
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Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:18 pm
What do people make of the Starbucks thing?

Really getting fed up with this sort of thing to be honest.
No matter the race of the people involved, they were loitering, loud, aggressive and refused to leave. The black cop that should up to deal with the situation has confirmed that.
Do you have any evidence of this?


I have my opinion on this but I would also like to point out something else.This is not a trap.
The manager's story, the call to the police and the police officers statement.


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Re: Politics thread

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Relly wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:46 pm
RED3bution wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:52 pm
Relly wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:58 pm

No matter the race of the people involved, they were loitering, loud, aggressive and refused to leave. The black cop that should up to deal with the situation has confirmed that.
Do you have any evidence of this?


I have my opinion on this but I would also like to point out something else.This is not a trap.
The manager's story, the call to the police and the police officers statement.
If I take it that these are the sources for your opinion then I can see why you've arrived at your opinion.


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Re: Politics thread

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RED3bution wrote:
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Do you have any evidence of this?


I have my opinion on this but I would also like to point out something else.This is not a trap.
The manager's story, the call to the police and the police officers statement.
If I take it that these are the sources for your opinion then I can see why you've arrived at your opinion.
ie, the truth. How in the fornicate do you think you know more than the people involved?


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There are perspectives but their are also facts amongst them but the truth is further away. There were others involved too, the 2 black men that got arrested and some eye witnesses.
Did you account for these or you don't think those are relevant?


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I'm trying to work out whether ripping kids from their parents and putting them in cages is more reminiscent of the stolen generation here in Australia, or the concentration camps in Europe


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Re: Politics thread

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Probably the first time Laura Bush has been quoted on here:

"Our government should not be in the business of warehousing children in converted box stores or making plans to place them in tent cities in the desert outside of El Paso," Bush wrote. "These images are eerily reminiscent of the Japanese American internment camps of World War II, now considered to have been one of the most shameful episodes in U.S. history."

I agree.


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Oh wait scratch that. I didn't read all the facts. They're just child actors


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I'm trying to work out whether ripping kids from their parents and putting them in cages is more reminiscent of the stolen generation here in Australia, or the concentration camps in Europe
You are such a fool, should have known you would by into this hook line and sinker. This is a law that was put in place in 2008, at the end of Bush's reign, Laura's husband, the one who foolishly decided to criticize something that came in under her husbands watch. It was also a law that came in due to a ruling in the ninth circuit court, the most liberal and biases court in all the US. In case you aren't aware, the democrats use to be all vocally against illegal immigration, you can find video evidence of both Clintons, Chuck Schummer, Nancy Pelosi, etc all making strong anti illegal immigration statements in public.

So the law is in place, has been for years before Trump took charge. The only difference is the law is now being enforced. I think the US has every right to stop people from illegally entering their country, but if people do, the law states the kids can not be kept in the same detention facilities as adults. So the Trump administration has absolutely zero choice here, they enforcing a law they didn't write that they are required to enforce.

Main thing is, don't break the law and you won't be separated from your kids. If you rob a bank or murder someone are they going to put your kids in jail for life with you? And if these people genuinely feel the need to seek asylum in the US, then can do it properly, don't cross the Rio Grande into the middle of the US, go to a border, find a border guard and say, I need asylum. If they do this their kids won't be taken away.

Does anyone not find this coincidental? Trump is killing it right now, the economy is thriving, he had a big win with North Korea, he did with Iran as aswell. His popularity is an all time high, higher than Obama's was at this point of his presidency. The democrats and their partners in the media can't have this so they found this story to latch onto and to use to attack Trump. It's so highly orchestrated it would be disengenious to claim otherwise. It's funny, when this story first came to public attention it was because a couple of celebrities tweeted out a photo of kids behind bars, although they quickly had to backtrack because it turned out to be a photo taken in 2014, when Obama was in charge.


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You can't apply for asylum in the United States, unless you are actually in the United States. See here.
To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States.
There is no visa to enter the US to apply for asylum. So actually, crossing the Rio Grande into the middle of the US, go to a border, find a border guard and say, I need asylum is the process.


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Re: Politics thread

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You can't apply for asylum in the United States, unless you are actually in the United States. See here.
To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States.
There is no visa to enter the US to apply for asylum. So actually, crossing the Rio Grande into the middle of the US, go to a border, find a border guard and say, I need asylum is the process.
But we both no they aren't doing that, and that's because they aren't really asylum seekers, they are economic migrants. And yes, you show up at a legal point of entry and tell the border guard. Have you crossed into the US via an official border crossing? I have, literally hundreds of times, and when you get to the point of talking to an American border guard you are already in the US territory.


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You can't apply for asylum in the United States, unless you are actually in the United States. See here.
To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States.
There is no visa to enter the US to apply for asylum. So actually, crossing the Rio Grande into the middle of the US, go to a border, find a border guard and say, I need asylum is the process.
You actually took the time....I like that. It's a challenge trying to make a blind man see the light bulb let alone appreciate a picasso.


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