raycreative wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:10 pm
I agree he told the governors to decide because that is the way the US works
The prick in chief didn't understand that 24 hours earlier when he told the world "I have absolute power"."I am the president"
Some brave sod clearly explained he was wrong with his absolute power bollocks so he gave the decision to the governors and tweeted his nuts off with "Liberate this state","liberate that state"
That is called mixed messages
For the record I am for states rights and I didn't agree with Trump when he said he could tell the states what the can do. All I did was point out that the week before the democrats complained that Trump can't use his power to reopen the country they were demanding he use his power to close more down. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy. Weird thing in the US with the governors, the Georgia governor is getting all sort of flack from the media for reopening his state, he is a republican. The governor of Colorado is following virtually the exact same path and literally no one is talking about him, he is a democrat. Why the difference in coverage?
The whole world seems to be of the opinion that if enough people stay out of the way for long enough then those with symptoms(There are millions a the moment) won't spread it to those that don't have it.
By the time these people do eventually end lock down the virus will hopefully have burned itself out in those currently affected.The time line is estimated at 14 days ish
Literally no one in the world is saying this except you and it's utterly shocking to me that people are agreeing with you. The whole point of the lockdown wasn't to stay inside until the virus burned out, it was to "flatten the curve", ie prevent a lot of people getting it at once and overwhelming the healthcare systems, like Italy. Everyone has been in agreement since the beginning about this and everyone knows that the same amount of people will eventually get sick, but the lockdown will spread it out and allow hospitals to be better prepared and thus reduce the fatalities.
The USA is currently reporting 1 million people known to have the virus.That will not be more than the tip of the iceberg as they have barely started testing
Of those 109,000 have recovered and half that 55,000 are reported to have died
You can only guess at how many have the virus but using 1 million known it could be 5 million,10 million and even more.But we don't know
But using the above as a model then if it is 10 million currently infected, you might expect 1 million to end up in hospital and half a million to die
You've totally missed the point. Yes currently 1 million have tested positive and that number will rise significantly due to more testing and more so, due to antibody testing. Antibody testing in NY has shown that approximately 14% of New York has already had the coronavirus. Fatality rate is an equation, number of deaths on top, number of infected on the bottom. As the denominator number grows the fatality rate of the virus decreases. This number takes the NY fatality rate from 7.5% down to around 0.6%. And New York is an anomaly, it's a largely and densely populated city, where a large number of residents rely on subway and the government of the state and mayor of the city were slow to shut down. New York was an entire week behind Los Angeles in shutting down. The rest of the US has seen nowhere near the amount of cases as New York, take New York out of the equation and the deaths per 100 000 puts the US inline with Germany, a country that's been wildly touted as handling this successfully. Similar studies by Stanford University and in the Netherlands found large amounts of the population testing positive for antibodies, and putting the fatality rate down to about 0.1%, exactly the same as the common flu.
Leave people locked up for 2 to 3 months and the virus will either kill people or work its way through them until the actual affected number is down
Those that can and will be affected will drop and those that will die(and there will unfortunately be people who will die) will be less
That is what EVERY government including the USA are preaching
That is what EVERY politician with the sole EXCEPTION of Donald Trump is preaching
Being locked up is a bummer but better to be locked up for another more and watch the figures come down is worth it.Is it not Ben?
Or would you rather the whole world opened up and tens of millions die
The lower the number affected for the longer the period of time will help the scientists and doctors eventually develop a vaccine
The health service will get less pressure and less hospital people will die.Or would you rather the hospitals got overwhelmed and doctors and nurses die?
Think how you would feel if somebody died close to you because they were given the virus by a bored Trumper who needed a beer
It's so disingenuous to suggest that anyone is protesting because they want to go out and get a beer, they are protesting because they are losing the jobs and businesses. I'm lucky, I have a good job and am still working, but 30 million americans have already lost their jobs, 10% of the population, that's pretty serious business. And to all the politicians that are still pushing for lockup, none of them have a plan. How long do they plan to lockup? One year, one and half years, until a vaccine is developled? There is no guarantee one will be and no guarantee that if there is it will work on everyone. What's their plan to come out of the lockup? They don't have one. The masses have been terrified by the overhyped news coverage of this, so for politicians the easiest thing to do is just keep things locked up, you don't actually have to do anything and your lauded as a hero by a large percentage of the population.