Glorio wrote: Andersongo wrote:
My point exactly. So we WILL have to agree deals with the EU, meaning the point Marcus made about not pissing them off is valid
Brexiters can piss off Brussels (and EU MPs) as much as they want: that will only make them more popular around EU countries where euroskepticism is surging. As for the head of states, they are intelligent enough to not engage in pettiness as their countries are actually not in better shape than the UK: see German government officials rebuking Juncker and Sturgeon for trying to up the ante. They know far too well that there are large populist forces waiting to pounce back at home.
Whether eurosceptism surges or not, you said yourself that these countries (as part of the EU currently) are limited in how much they can deal independently with us. We have to deal with the EU at this present time - so again, the point Marcus made holds. It's incredibly stupid to go to the EU to rub brexit in their faces. Apart from an ego rush, there's no benefit whatsoever
Farage was mocking the EU MPs and the EU Commission, the symbol of the supranational aspirations of the EU. The EU Council will be the organization tasked with thrashing out a deal with the UK. As the EU Council is a natural conduit for the diverse national interests of the member states, any europhile pettiness will quickly be thrown out at the outset. Hence, the hawkishness of France and Belgium will meet the hardnosed realism of German and Netherlands exports imperative and the euroscepticism of the eastern bloc of the EU. As clearly explained in this article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07 ... its-deepe/
The money quote being:
“Everyone is determined that this negotiation is handled in the European Council – i.e. between the 27 heads of government – and not by the Commission, the eurocrats and the EU ‘theologians’ in Brussels,” a senior UK source told The Telegraph.
In a signal that battle has partly already been won, Mrs Merkel pointedly met with French and Italian leaders in Berlin last week, excluding Mr Juncker from the conversation.
The Commission has also declined to fight the Council for the role “chief negotiator”, according to an account of a meeting of senior EU officials seen by The Telegraph.
"A Moyes! My kingdom for a Moyes!" - Sir Alex Ferguson in the famous tragedy " Manchester United's great EPL campaign of 13/14" by respected journo G. Neville.