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1985 Fa cup final "10 men triumph"

Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:49 pm

"Ten men Triumph"

United wrecked Liverpool's hopes of a League, FA Cup and European treble with their win at Wembley in 1977. They repeated this victory when they met Merseyside's other famous team - the blues of Everton. It may seem strange to anyone under 20 years of age but Everton were the dominant team in England during the mid Eighties.

In 1985 the trophy Room at Goodison Park was already home to the Canon League Trophy and the European Cup-winners Cup and Everton looked set to achieve something that no other club had done before - win the League and Cup Double and a European prize in the same season. United meanwhile were unfancied by many having lost to Everton 5-0 in the league earlier that season at Goodison.
After 78 minutes of less than spectacular football, the referee (a retired police inspector Peter Willis) sent off Kevin Moran after a tackle on Peter Reid making Moran the first player to be shown the red card in an FA Cup Final. By modern standards it was a clear sending off as Moran was the last man but in the mid 80's it would have been usual to award a yellow card. It could also be said Reid's momentum had made it appear worse than it was. The Irishman could not believe he was going to be sent off and was so angry he had to be restrained from confronting Willis by Frank Stapleton.

Losing Moran had the effect of spurring United on and they were still fighting hard to score in extra time, with Jesper Olsen and Gordon Strachan in particular menacing Everton's defence. Paul McGrath held things together at the back with Frank Stapleton who was converted to an emergency central defender. It was a demonstration of pure resilience and spirit by United, who were not going to let the injustice deny them the cup.

As so often happens, when a team goes down to 10 men they play much better and their opponents find them more difficult to break down. United became quicker to the ball and more determined in their tackling, the missing player meant each player had to concentrate more and put greater effort into his game. United were not content to sit back and still created chances to trouble the Merseysiders. Everton nearly scored themselves as Bryan Robson's back header from a corner was almost an own-goal were it not for Bailey's fine save.

Norman Whiteside scuffed a great chance from only 8 yards out in the 108th minute but a short time later he would achieve the vital breakthrough. After 110 minutes of play, a fine pass from Mark Hughes saw Whiteside break with the ball on his own down the left wing. Everton had got defenders back and it looked like he had nowhere left to go as he entered the box.

Nonetheless the Ulsterman produced a bit of magic and hit a magnificent curling shot from 20 yards which beat Everton keeper Southall to his right post. Whiteside recalls "Mark Hughes found me with a great pass and I made my way to the penalty area and could see Neville Southall hanging by this near post. I used the defender as a screen so Neville didn't have enough time to reach the ball".

From then on, 10 man United had to withstand a nerve-shattering seige as Everton desperately tried for a goal - Derek Mountfield had a great chance but his header went safely into Gary Bailey's arms. Thankfully the equaliser never came and the red half of Wembley erupted in jubilation on the final whistle.

Kevin Moran was not allowed to collect his medal in the Royal Box along with his team-mates but was presented with a medal a few days later. Ron Atkinson was quoted as saying it was "arguably the best Cup win any side will have at Wembley". It was undoubtedly the high point in his five years as manager at Old Trafford and secured Norman Whiteside's place in the United hall of Legends for all time.


MANCHESTER UNITED: Bailey, Gidman, Albiston (Duxbury), McGrath, Whiteside,Moran, Robson, Olsen, Strachen, Hughes, Stapleton

EVERTON: Southall,Stevens,Ratcliffe, Van Den Hauwe, Mountfield, Sheedy, Bracewell, Reid,Steven, Sharp,Gray.

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Re: 1985 Fa cup final "10 men triumph"

Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:18 pm

I can still remember Big Norm curling the ball round Neville Southhall and the ball hitting the back of the net like it was yesterday,i can still see my Dad jumping out of his chair and pumping his fists and falling to his knees in front of the telly,i was just jumping around like a madman,probably looked liked one too,dressed head to toe in every bit of United clothing i owned,hat,scarf,kit,sweatbands,fingerless gloves,you name it,i had it on.

Inbetween the age of 5 and 10 I grew up in a place called great sankey in warrington,we had moved there when the steel works where my dad worked in salford had closed down,he was one of the lucky ones,he got offered a job at a british steel site at monks hall.We moved onto a brand new council housing estate,warrington was a relatively new town at that time so there was an influx of families from around the northwest but mostly merseyside,mostly Liverpool and Everton fans and all!It was horrible growing up on that estate in that period of the 80's Liverpool were dominant and so now were Everton,us United fans had no bragging rights at all,in fact i can only remember one other United fan in my school,Graham Firth he was called,in my head i remember him looking like Mick Hucknall,tight ginger curls,he was as mad about United as i was,almost daily we had how good Everton and Liverpool were shoved in our faces,that changed in 85.We knocked Liverpool out in the semi final and beat Everton in the final.Stick that in your fornicate pipe and smoke it! Sad thing was I never really got to bask in the glory of victory,we moved back to Salford a couple of days later.I never saw Graham again either,i did think of him though,parading around the estate on his grifter proudly wearing his United top giving the scousers loads!

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Re: 1985 Fa cup final "10 men triumph"

Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:42 pm

Good work Mikey. I have this game on DVD but havent got round to watching it yet. Seen the goal so many times though! Great strike by Whiteside
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Re: 1985 Fa cup final "10 men triumph"

Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:34 pm

Its a bit of a borefest tbh Niall,doesnt really get exciting until Kevin Morans sending off.

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Re: 1985 Fa cup final "10 men triumph"

Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:17 pm

Olsen recalls unique soccer moment
By Matthew Hall
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As Jesper Olsen recalls, the 1985 FA Cup final flashed past fast, even with his team playing a man short and the match, now billed as one of the greatest finals ever, extending into tense extra-time.

Olsen, the former Danish international who now lives in Melbourne, starred for Manchester United in that year's set-to with Everton. The game is recalled as a classic after United overcame the odds to beat Everton - then league champion and winner of the European Cup Winners' Cup - after having Kevin Moran sent off.

"The FA Cup final is a completely different occasion to a normal match," Olsen said. "The game itself goes so fast. I was only there once, but it was all new and a great experience and such a big stage. It's a fantastic event for its history, occasion, and style."

United had lost an earlier encounter with Everton that season 5-0 and its hopes were not helped when Moran became the first - and so far only - player sent off in an FA Cup final. The red card, after a tackle on Peter Reid, was widely considered harsh. Yet United dug in to win the match 1-0 in extra-time when Norman Whiteside scored with a 30-metre rocket.

"I worked with Kevin afterwards for 10 years and he is such a straight and honest guy," Olsen said. "If you see the game on TV he keeps saying to the referee that he didn't do anything to get sent off. He was really heartbroken.

"I remember extra-time more clearly because it was a case of us holding the ball and wasting time so we could get a replay. Then Norman got the ball and scored a fantastic goal."

Olsen lined up that day alongside United legends such as Bryan Robson, Mark Hughes, Frank Stapleton and Gordon Strachan. Whiteside's goal sparked a week of celebration at a time when United was a decade from becoming Premier League champion.

"Luck was with me because it would be horrendous to be on the losing side if you were there only once," Olsen said. "When you're in the dressing room after the game it really starts. You have the celebration in the evening and the next day we went back to Manchester and drove around the city in an open-top bus and partied for four days. It was an incredible experience."

Olsen, now 43, currently heads a global player management company and runs a skills development project for 8-14 year olds in Victoria called Fun Football.

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Re: 1985 Fa cup final "10 men triumph"

Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:29 pm

FA Cup 1985 winners

by Michael Sawh

With much of the talk of a 1984-85 season dominated about the growing violent behaviour on the terraces, on the pitch, Everton was drawing the plaudits as the FA Cup became the only trophy that stood in the way for Howard Kendall and his impressive team to secure a historic treble. Having wrapped up the league in which their cup opponents Manchester United were in touching distance throughout most of the season, Everton had also managed the feat of defeating Rapid Vienna in Rotterdam to lift the UEFA Cup Winners Cup. Ron Atkinson's Manchester United side were seeking their second FA Cup in three years after previously beating Brighton 4-0 in a replayed final in the 1982/83 season. Everton secured the FA Cup in the 1983-84 season defeating a brave Watford side 2-0 courtesy of goals from Andy Gray and Graeme Sharp.

Their confrontations in the league that season amounted to a 1-1 draw at Old Trafford and Atkinson suffering his heaviest defeat as a club manager, losing 5-0 at Goodison. A John Gidman own goal ensured that Everton also defeated United in the third round of the Milk Cup. The season's head to head record would appear to suggest the Toffees writing their names in the history books, United however, would appear to offer a much different opposition in the Cup as their route to Wembley suggests.

United's first task was to erase the performance of last years short FA Cup defence against same opponents Bournemouth, dispatching them by three goals to nil with goals from Strachan, Stapleton and McQueen. After wins against Coventry, and a tricky tie at Blackburn, United met West Ham in the quarter finals after their historic win against Videoton from Hungary in the UEFA Cup as Frank Stapleton's goal stood as the last goal scored by an English team before teams were banned from Europe. Everton's route began with a 2-0 victory over Division Two side Leeds United at Elland Road. Victories came further against Doncaster, Telford, and Ipswich on route to the semi finals.

The semi-finals threw together United to face Liverpool at Goodison Park while Everton faced Luton at Villa Park. An all Merseyside final was conjuring up the imagination of the press, United though were not willing to deliver the final that they craved. United's game went to a replay at Maine Road after an antagonising first game. Mark Hughes eventually secured United's place in the final against an Everton side that despite falling behind to a Ricky Hill strike, overcame a dogged Luton side with goals from Kevin Sheedy and Derek Mountfield.

Despite depriving neutrals of an all Merseyside affair, the final still threw together what would appear on a paper to still be a mouth-watering football feast. The scheduling of the final would become a particular issue of debate for the Everton manager Howard Kendall. His team would walk out at Wembley just a mere three days after securing the UEFA Cup Winners Cup and believed that put his side in a hugely disadvantaged position. The final would go ahead as planned and in front of a 100,00 capacity crowd, supporters were to witness while not the most of spectacular Wembley showpieces, a significant moment in FA Cup history, as a player endured a moment of great misfortune only to be eradicated by a moment of great individual brilliance from his fellow team mate.

Everton's line up consisted of the team that had performed so admirably over the season. Goalkeeper Neville Southall, voted Football Writers' Association Footballer of the Year provided the solid foundations to a back four consisting of Gary Stevens, Pat Van Den Hauwe, captain Kevin Radcliffe and a young Derek Mountfield who had an uncanny eye for goal. The midfield quartet comprised of England international Trevor Stevens, Paul Bracewell, Kevin Sheedy and the dynamic Peter Reid. The diminutive midfielder in the Alan Ball' mould impressed throughout the season earning him the PFA Player of the Year Award. The attack line formed the potent strike partnership of Scots Andy Gray and Graeme Sharp. The solitary substitute was Alan Harper.

United lined up with the ever-present Gary Bailey in goal, with a defensive line of John Gidman, Arthur Albiston, and Irish centre back pairing of Kevin Moran and Paul McGrath. Moran, had suffered a fourteen match injury absence during the early part of the season, and his replacement during that absence Graeme Hogg, was ruled out on the eve of the final suffering with pelvic problems. The midfield was made up of Dane Jesper Olsen, the free scoring Gordon Strachan, captain Bryan Robson and Norman Whiteside. Frank Stapelton and a young Mark Hughes recognised for his form in his first full season for United, with the PFA Young Players award, made up the attack. Defender Mike Duxbury was United's substitute that day.

For much of the game it was largely an uneventful affair perhaps with Everton still suffering from their European outing days before. The significant moment came in the second half on the 77th minute. Peter Reid capitalizing on a loose ball drove towards the penalty area clear of United's defence. United defender Moran threw himself feet first pushing the ball away with his right foot and his left foot catching Reid who's momentum carried him into the air. Referee Peter Willis blew for the foul and called over Moran. An expectant Moran turned his back to allow Willis to take his number for a booking, but of course as history shows, Moran became the first player to be sent off in a FA Cup Final. Atkinson had to reshuffle his side and drafted Frank Stapleton as a make shift centre half for the rest of the game.

With United now down to ten men, it was expected that an Everton side that ended their league season in such blistering fashion would take the silverware, while United battled for a replay. Instead Atkinson felt that his team could still win the game, and with no goals in the ninety minutes, and entering into extra time, United carved out one crucial opportunity that fell to the feet of Norman Whiteside.

Mark Hughes picked up the ball deep into his own half, and cutting inside sprayed a ball with the outside of his boot to Whiteside. As Strachan raced along side him for support, Whiteside advanced and throwing his left foot over the ball bent his shot around full back Van Den Hauwe who partially obstructed Neville Southall's view as he gripped his near post and threw himself in an attempt to stop the ball flying into the opposite corner. Everton frantically tried to conjure up an equalizer but to no avail as the Northern Ireland international's moment of genius had clinched Atkinson's second FA Cup in three years. Kevin Moran notably ecstatic that his mistake was redeemed walked up the famous steps along with the team but was to find his medal withheld, as under FA rules, a player sent off did not qualify for a winners medal. After weeks of public outcry though, he was eventually rewarded with his piece of FA Cup history.

This final loss was a mere mark on what was a tremendous season for an Everton side who, despite achieving success in league and Europe, perhaps would never fulfil their true potential with the imposed ban on English clubs in Europe to follow next season. United meanwhile happy with the silverware, had again faltered again in the league and would prove to be a significant moment in the club's history as they continued to try to break the stranglehold that Everton and Liverpool had on the League.

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