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Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:29 pm

Think he's bang on. We all know the media have their agendas and he's calling them out for the shithouses they are.

We win, he gets criticized. We lose, he gets criticized. Thought we were brilliant against Spurs in the first half. Had our first shot on goal after 15 seconds and played some beautiful football at times. Should have been 2-0 up at half time. Lukaku should have had a couple and can't be missing open goals like that.

Look at the past few years. Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Spurs even fornicate Arsenal have all strengthened. Teams like Wolves - fornicate Wolves! - have signed some really strong players. Even Everton are on the up. Jose asked for five players and got one. Ed can fornicate off.

It all went to shit in the second half against Spurs but all down to the players. Besides, I'd much rather play like we did in the first half and lose than put 11 men behind the ball and win 1-0.



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Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:02 pm

Have to agree in this instance. Team did good against Spurs. They're probably just not used to playing like that, so tired badly. I think they should stick with it personally.

What I hope doesn't happen is that he thinks "as I thought, these defenders are rubbish", and sticks 10 men behind the ball next game


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Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:16 pm

If Mourinho was going for an "us against the world" mindset then he almost has the environment he wants I just don't know if he has enough players behind him to make it work.


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Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:25 pm

Best thing he's doen (almost) since he came. Fergie-esque performance


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Re: Jose

Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:41 pm

Lots of stories about a new long term contract for Martial. If there is any truth to the stories then either Mourinho and Martial have kissed and made up or the board is telling Mourinho he has even less pull at the club than he thought he had.


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Re: Jose

Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:02 am

The first half was brilliant. Luke Shaw has really responded to Jose. Our central defenders aren't good enough.

It remains to be seen what the rest of the season holds, but I'm backing Jose. He'll get shit off the press whatever happens, but I think he's right.


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Re: Jose

Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:33 am

Everyone knows our centre half's aren't good enough. Lindelof was never bought to be first choice, Smalling and Jones too. Ed is having a giggle and Jose's right, we are in for a long season.



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Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:08 pm

I don't know how people think we were amazing in the first half. We made it difficult for Spurs, but really didn't create that much. That Lukaku open goal was from a direct mistake from Rose.

We are obviously struggling in defence (7 goals conceded), but our creativity is non-existent. We aren't creating that many chances. Is that two goals scored only from open play (Shaw and Lukaku)?

I feel sorry for Jose. Smalling,lindelof and Jones had a shocker.. while other side, Alderweild had a beast of a game. The Irony.


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Re: Jose

Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:55 pm

I shit you not, there's been at least one, if not two stories like this every day this week on the BBC website.

Getting boring now.



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Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:57 pm

The only way these stories will stop is to win games and keep winning.


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Re: Jose

Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:06 am

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Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:02 pm
Have to agree in this instance. Team did good against Spurs. They're probably just not used to playing like that, so tired badly. I think they should stick with it personally.

What I hope doesn't happen is that he thinks "as I thought, these defenders are rubbish", and sticks 10 men behind the ball next game
That was refreshing against Burnley - as I said, our attacking play was great against Spurs in the first half, and it seems the team carried it into the Burnley game, which suggests to me that there is work being done behind the scenes to quicken our play and get some good movement and crisp interplay in attacking areas.

I think the most encouraging thing was Lukaku's interview saying just that about what Jose and the team are doing now in training. I suspect we may not be so adventurous against top teams, particularly away, but the difference between Spurs and Burnley was we got the defensive balance right, so who's to say?


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Re: Jose

Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:05 am

We never see even a fraction of what goes on behind closed doors. We hear rumours, we hear from media 'sources' but half the time it's either people making a name for themselves or disgruntled employees.

The international break's come at the right time. Some players will stay at home and keep working. Gives the coaches time to analyse opponents and our own performances. Keep the faith.



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Re: Jose

Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:15 pm

Anyone else believe it's a witch hunt?

The FA charge him with misconduct after seeing video footage of him saying something in Portuguese. They hired a translator and a lip reader before deciding they had sufficient evidence to mount a misconduct charge.

He appealed and an independent panel found in his favour and the charge was not proven. Not content with that, the FA have today decided to appeal that decision.

Why? What's the point? What purpose does it have to serve? Witch hunt. Pure and simple.



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Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:13 pm

Gotta credit the FA. Fighting the big battles while the rest of football burns around them


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Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:20 pm

Ole wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:15 pm
Anyone else believe it's a witch hunt?

The FA charge him with misconduct after seeing video footage of him saying something in Portuguese. They hired a translator and a lip reader before deciding they had sufficient evidence to mount a misconduct charge.

He appealed and an independent panel found in his favour and the charge was not proven. Not content with that, the FA have today decided to appeal that decision.

Why? What's the point? What purpose does it have to serve? Witch hunt. Pure and simple.
It serves no purpose.


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Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:18 pm

I'll just leave this here for anyone who wants to comment, but it says it all really
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:12 pm

I see your point here Sigmar, but, to be fair, you'd have to keep the stats up to date all season long in order to be able to judge anyone. We all know why Moyes was shown the door and it's definitely not because of his first three months in charge. It all began to crumble afterwards. 0:3 to the Berties... 0:3 to the scouse... You remeber the spring of 2014 don't you?

I don't want to defend Mourinho nor am I convinced he's the right man for the job anymore so please don't get me into any arguments. I only try to keep it as fair and objective as possible. Cheers.


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Re: Jose

Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:20 pm

SUBXERO wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:12 pm
I see your point here Sigmar, but, to be fair, you'd have to keep the stats up to date all season long in order to be able to judge anyone. We all know why Moyes was shown the door and it's definitely not because of his first three months in charge. It all began to crumble afterwards. 0:3 to the Berties... 0:3 to the scouse... You remeber the spring of 2014 don't you?

I don't want to defend Mourinho nor am I convinced he's the right man for the job anymore so please don't get me into any arguments. I only try to keep it as fair and objective as possible. Cheers.
Didn't we just lose 3:1 to the Berties.... or did I dream that?


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Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:44 pm

Sigmar wrote:
SUBXERO wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:12 pm
I see your point here Sigmar, but, to be fair, you'd have to keep the stats up to date all season long in order to be able to judge anyone. We all know why Moyes was shown the door and it's definitely not because of his first three months in charge. It all began to crumble afterwards. 0:3 to the Berties... 0:3 to the scouse... You remeber the spring of 2014 don't you?

I don't want to defend Mourinho nor am I convinced he's the right man for the job anymore so please don't get me into any arguments. I only try to keep it as fair and objective as possible. Cheers.
Didn't we just lose 3:1 to the Berties.... or did I dream that?
Nope, it was 0:3 as well! We got battered by our two biggest rivals in two consecutive home games. The Chosen One's ultimate proof of greatness!


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Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:38 pm

Sigmar wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:18 pm
I'll just leave this here for anyone who wants to comment, but it says it all really
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Your stats are fine but I hope you are not gonna use it to make a decision on Jose if you could.

At this stage if you wanted to make a fairer analysis, use averages or compare their 1st seasons at the same point.

Secondly pedigree does matter....Jose has won things. A lot! He gets some slack. His record demands it.


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Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:48 pm

RED3bution wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:38 pm
Sigmar wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:18 pm
I'll just leave this here for anyone who wants to comment, but it says it all really
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Your stats are fine but I hope you are not gonna use it to make a decision on Jose if you could.

At this stage if you wanted to make a fairer analysis, use averages or compare their 1st seasons at the same point.

Secondly pedigree does matter....Jose has won things. A lot! He gets some slack. His record demands it.
If I could see progress in the team and squad then I wold agree, but I can't.
All I hear is him asking for money to buy more players, when the truth is wwe have players that he hasn't given a real chance to to Pierra (Sp) comes to mind, it would also help if he played players where they are happiest, that is how you get the best out of them.
We have a run of easy games on paper, he has nothing to lose, plan A isn't working, aging wingbacks are not the solution, I wan to see us get back to basics, only when you do that will you discover if it is the players or the manager.
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Dalot Bailly Rojo Shaw
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:22 pm

I think you have laid out the beginnings of the argument Gary Neville was trying to make with Souness. The time has come when the question of who is responsible has become very undefined between players and manager. One may even venture to accuse the executive branch and still be validated especially in the transfer department. Hence Gary thinks the entire system needs redrawing from the ground up. I appreciate his perspective.

I don't believe a coach/manager should change their style just like that. I think players should though. If I were to liken the process to painting [which I do not claim to understand in any special way], the artist/painter is the coach and the brushes are the players. The overall picture is the chemistry.
A coach may choose to use a broad brush in corners and vice versa. It's what Pep is actually known to do, in an offensive kind of way. Jose is more defensive minded and I like his fidelity to his methods. A working-class type mentality.
Should he be sacked I am confident it will not cure all our problems, though I feel you think he is the curse at present.


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Re: Jose

Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:27 pm

I’m going to put this out there and say that Pep is just as defence minded than Jose. The difference is that one trusts his defenders to start attacks, the other waits to counter.

What made me laugh about Sunday’s result by th way is how much everyone praised Fernandinho but then almost immediately pointed out that City need to strengthen because there’s only one of him in his position and City need another player like him, ‘just in case’. City need to strengthen...think about that for a moment.



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Re: Jose

Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:18 am

RED3bution wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:22 pm
I think you have laid out the beginnings of the argument Gary Neville was trying to make with Souness. The time has come when the question of who is responsible has become very undefined between players and manager. One may even venture to accuse the executive branch and still be validated especially in the transfer department. Hence Gary thinks the entire system needs redrawing from the ground up. I appreciate his perspective.

I don't believe a coach/manager should change their style just like that. I think players should though. If I were to liken the process to painting [which I do not claim to understand in any special way], the artist/painter is the coach and the brushes are the players. The overall picture is the chemistry.
A coach may choose to use a broad brush in corners and vice versa. It's what Pep is actually known to do, in an offensive kind of way. Jose is more defensive minded and I like his fidelity to his methods. A working-class type mentality.
Should he be sacked I am confident it will not cure all our problems, though I feel you think he is the curse at present.
Not a bad allegory, i can see where you are coming from.

My counter to that is that José is at present an artist who does not know what style to paint in, all he seems to want to do is buy new brushes because the one he has are not working.
Instead he should be looking at why they are not working, and my allegory is that he is not using the right brush in the right way, reliance on old brushes is not working, Young is a case in point, he gave Sterling acres to play in on Sunday, he kept coming too narrow, that is inexperience, a desire to be near the ball and not seeing the danger develop.
Midfielders failed to pick oup the movement of Aguero and Silva this down to relying on players with height, rather than a football brain and tackling ability.
We are too static, there is no fluidity about our play, we lack creativity and the desire to move off the ball.

It's not jsut City you need to look at, take alook at any of the top four, their game is lot more mobile, they have moved on tactically, we are stuck in the early part of the decade, we need to move on.


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Re: Jose

Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:50 am

Everyone talks about Jose wanting more centre half’s when he bought Bailly and Lindelof but everyone seems to forget that Pep bought Ederson having already bought Claudio Bravo.



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