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Andre Gray

Sat Aug 20, 2016 7:46 pm

The real chance Burnley had of staying up this season, homophobic tweets from a few years come back to the surface, surely it can't be tolerated, what do Burnley do now?



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Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:09 pm

I think Sandies should drop him immediately.

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Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:38 pm

Who cares? A few years back Vardy was a racist, last year everybody in the world with a fleeting interest in football loved him.
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Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:25 pm

Horrible birth canal.
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Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:11 am

Surely Burnley signed him knowing he was a despicable birth canal?
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Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:51 am

Dante wrote:Surely Burnley signed him knowing he was a despicable birth canal?
I think that's why they signed him
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Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:56 am

Relly wrote: A year ago Vardy was a racist, last year everybody in the world with a fleeting interest in football loved him.
End discussion
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Re: Andre Gray

Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:33 pm

I disagree with that ending the discussion, surely it should be the start of one? Statistically speaking there must be a bunch of gay footballers in the premier league, now they see this and no action, how does that make them feel? If anything, it makes them want to stay in the closet more with no action being taken.

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Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:07 pm

The thing that will annoy me with this is that in future, one bigot will be used as evidence of homophobia being rife in football when I don't think it is.
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Re: Andre Gray

Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:39 am

You don't think footballers are homophobic?
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Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:16 am

Carrick 5 Gerrard 0 wrote:I disagree with that ending the discussion, surely it should be the start of one? Statistically speaking there must be a bunch of gay footballers in the premier league, now they see this and no action, how does that make them feel? If anything, it makes them want to stay in the closet more with no action being taken.
Thing is, nothing happened to Vardy or the othrs, why should Burnley do anything to jeoporsise their season when no else does

Its a sad reality
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Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:39 am

Vardy was fined and had to undergo diversity training.
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Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:54 am

Relly wrote:Who cares? A few years back Vardy was a racist, last year everybody in the world with a fleeting interest in football loved him.
He was?
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Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:01 am

Carrick 5 Gerrard 0 wrote:The real chance Burnley had of staying up this season, homophobic tweets from a few years come back to the surface, surely it can't be tolerated, what do Burnley do now?
Burnley issue a warning and deleted his tweets. I think they should have fined him and move on.


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Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:32 pm

marcus leong wrote:
Carrick 5 Gerrard 0 wrote:The real chance Burnley had of staying up this season, homophobic tweets from a few years come back to the surface, surely it can't be tolerated, what do Burnley do now?
Burnley issue a warning and deleted his tweets. I think they should have fined him and move on.


I thought this was funny :whistle:
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I find it incredibly stupid to be honest. Again though, that was 2012 - people need to move on. The uncovering of all these tweets just seems really bitter. I think it's a lesson to us all though. Even if you're an idiot, be careful what you post online; cos one day if you're suddenly a big deal, your idiocy may come back to bite you hard
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Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:23 pm

Even in an age before the internet it was wise to live by the idiom - never put into writing something you are not willing for the world to know about you.
I can't believe it. I can't believe it. Football. Bloody hell.

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Re: Andre Gray

Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:22 pm

Dante wrote:You don't think footballers are homophobic?
As a whole? Probably not. I don't think homophobia is rife in football. Also the fans get lumped into this and unfairly labeled as homophobic bigots, by the sorts who have never been to a game. I've been to hundreds of games and I've never once heard a homophobic chant.

I think football would be a lot more accepting of a gay footballer than people think.
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Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:29 pm

ArizonaRed wrote:Even in an age before the internet it was wise to live by the idiom - never put into writing something you are not willing for the world to know about you.
People always forget you cannot delete anything on the web. Some employee even survey potential employee fb or instagram before hiring.
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Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:48 pm

Dante wrote:Vardy was fined and had to undergo diversity training.
Do you really think that is going to change someones outlook? It's all for show.
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Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:50 pm

Glorio wrote:
marcus leong wrote:
Carrick 5 Gerrard 0 wrote:The real chance Burnley had of staying up this season, homophobic tweets from a few years come back to the surface, surely it can't be tolerated, what do Burnley do now?
Burnley issue a warning and deleted his tweets. I think they should have fined him and move on.


I thought this was funny :whistle:
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I find it incredibly stupid to be honest. Again though, that was 2012 - people need to move on. The uncovering of all these tweets just seems really bitter. I think it's a lesson to us all though. Even if you're an idiot, be careful what you post online; cos one day if you're suddenly a big deal, your idiocy may come back to bite you hard
It's good in a sense that it allows stupid people to reveal who they really are. But as far as holding it against Burnley, they are paying a guy for his services, not his insight on the world.
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Re: Andre Gray

Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:59 pm

Martin wrote:
Dante wrote:You don't think footballers are homophobic?
As a whole? Probably not. I don't think homophobia is rife in football. Also the fans get lumped into this and unfairly labeled as homophobic bigots, by the sorts who have never been to a game. I've been to hundreds of games and I've never once heard a homophobic chant.

I think football would be a lot more accepting of a gay footballer than people think.
I disagree. I work in an industry dominated by men, working class type men, and I wouldn't say that homosexuality is generally accepted. I am guessing football has similar attitudes, all men, a lot of alpha types.

The reality is that open homosexuality is fairly new in our society, even 20 years ago I would imagine a lot of the people who are open about it now would have probably hidden it. So being something somewhat new and a relatively small percentage of the population its going to take a while before it's completely accepted by society. I am not saying this is right, but humans are humans, you aren't going to change them overnight.
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Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:30 pm

Relly wrote:I disagree. I work in an industry dominated by men, working class type men, and I wouldn't say that homosexuality is generally accepted. I am guessing football has similar attitudes, all men, a lot of alpha types.
Gareth Thomas came out in Rugby, how macho is macho is Rugby? Suppose that might be a bit different as Rugby is for Tories.
The reality is that open homosexuality is fairly new in our society, even 20 years ago I would imagine a lot of the people who are open about it now would have probably hidden it. So being something somewhat new and a relatively small percentage of the population its going to take a while before it's completely accepted by society. I am not saying this is right, but humans are humans, you aren't going to change them overnight.
Maybe I'm just naive then. All I know is that when Hitzlsperger came out the reaction from fans and players was a positive one.
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Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:01 pm

Not sure what to make of this mess.

Guy is clearly a nob - but maybe he has completely reformed (who knows?)

I dont think he should just get away with it but I dont think he should be sacked - Burnley would be the only losers there and theyve done nothing wrong!

I think he should be given a MASSIVE fine, banned from social media while he is a pro and be forced to do some sort of LGBT support group voluntary work.

Affect the offender, not his employer!
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Re: Andre Gray

Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:01 pm

Martin wrote:
Relly wrote:I disagree. I work in an industry dominated by men, working class type men, and I wouldn't say that homosexuality is generally accepted. I am guessing football has similar attitudes, all men, a lot of alpha types.
Gareth Thomas came out in Rugby, how macho is macho is Rugby? Suppose that might be a bit different as Rugby is for Tories.
The reality is that open homosexuality is fairly new in our society, even 20 years ago I would imagine a lot of the people who are open about it now would have probably hidden it. So being something somewhat new and a relatively small percentage of the population its going to take a while before it's completely accepted by society. I am not saying this is right, but humans are humans, you aren't going to change them overnight.
Maybe I'm just naive then. All I know is that when Hitzlsperger came out the reaction from fans and players was a positive one.
I hope it was genuine, the skeptical side of me is saying a lot of people are doing the right thing in public.

If someone came out in my department at work I am certain everyone would say the right things, but I cringe at the idea of what they would say when said person wasn't around.
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Re: Andre Gray

Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:06 pm

RedSte wrote:Not sure what to make of this mess.

Guy is clearly a nob - but maybe he has completely reformed (who knows?)

I dont think he should just get away with it but I dont think he should be sacked - Burnley would be the only losers there and theyve done nothing wrong!

I think he should be given a MASSIVE fine, banned from social media while he is a pro and be forced to do some sort of LGBT support group voluntary work.

Affect the offender, not his employer!
Can you fine a guy for something he did years before joining the club?
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