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Sandies wrote:You think any of his hair is real?
It is. I watched him run his hands through it, grab it and pull to prove that its real. Which is amazing that he had too because with all his money if he was going to buy a wig he could afford a much nicer one.


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Sandies wrote:You think any of his hair is real?
It is. I watched him run his hands through it, grab it and pull to prove that its real. Which is amazing that he had too because with all his money if he was going to buy a wig he could afford a much nicer one.
Sounds like you watch Trump porno's :laugh:



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Did you see Trump's comments about beating the Chinese and the Mexicans? The guy is a loose cannon who is leveraging on the illiteracy and narrow mindedness of a lot of unexposed Americans. Does he realise that they still have diplomatic relationships with these countries?

He actually has a real shot - because apart from the coastal states and cities; and a few others you see on TV, a huge portion of the country could be considered 'rural'. Where a lot may not realise that many places around the world can match them for tech advancement. You'd be surprised how many have never watched the news of countries beyond their borders - there was a program on that. It's very obvious from the outside how sensationalised and almost comical most of their news outlets are, but for some of them, it's what they live by. Imagine living and dying by Fox News! You'll end up with a good few with a very bloated opinion about themselves compared with the rest of the world.


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The more I see of American politics the more I become convinced that George Carlin was right all along. Among the many things he said the ones that stick out the most are "I don't vote because it's meaningless. This country was bought, sold and paid for a long time ago, the s**t they shuffle around every four years doesn't mean a f***ing thing", "you have no rights, what you have is a list of temporary privileges that can be suspended at any time" and "...the real owners of this country, forget the politicians, they're there to give you the illusion you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have owners, they own you. They own all the important land, own all the corporations. They got you by the balls. It's a big club. And you ain't in it."
But my personal favorite, "...term limits won't do you any good, you'll just wind up with another batch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So maybe it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here, like, the public."



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TexasRedDevil wrote:The more I see of American politics the more I become convinced that George Carlin was right all along. Among the many things he said the ones that stick out the most are "I don't vote because it's meaningless. This country was bought, sold and paid for a long time ago, the s**t they shuffle around every four years doesn't mean a f***ing thing", "you have no rights, what you have is a list of temporary privileges that can be suspended at any time" and "...the real owners of this country, forget the politicians, they're there to give you the illusion you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have owners, they own you. They own all the important land, own all the corporations. They got you by the balls. It's a big club. And you ain't in it."
But my personal favorite, "...term limits won't do you any good, you'll just wind up with another batch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So maybe it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here, like, the public."
George Carlin was completely right.

That's why I like Trump, he isn't part of the establishment. People will mock my support of Trump and then reveal themselves as a supporter of Bush or Rubio or Hilary on the other side. If you support these establishment candidates then all you are is an uneducated, blinded pawn to the people who run that country. The Bushes and Clintons are good friends, predating any of them being in Federal politics, and they are part of the group that has been destroying the US for decades. I can't imagine anyone seeing the direction the country is going and saying that the want to vote the candidate that keeps them on that track. Even if your not Republican, take a look at Bernie Sanders. And watch out because Hilary is stealing the candidacy from him right in front of people and no one even notices or cares.


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I think Carlin is bang on the money. Agree with most of what he preaches.

As for who I would vote for...would have to be Sanders. Make no mistake Sanders & Trump are the "change" candidates.. I dont like Trump and hate 99% of his policies, but I like the fact that he isnt part of the "political elite".


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RedSte wrote:I think Carlin is bang on the money. Agree with most of what he preaches.

As for who I would vote for...would have to be Sanders. Make no mistake Sanders & Trump are the "change" candidates.. I dont like Trump and hate 99% of his policies, but I like the fact that he isnt part of the "political elite".
Bernie is the only one consistent with his view. I'm amazed that trump can actually say anything and nothing will affect his campaign.


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TexasRedDevil wrote:The more I see of American politics the more I become convinced that George Carlin was right all along. Among the many things he said the ones that stick out the most are "I don't vote because it's meaningless. This country was bought, sold and paid for a long time ago, the s**t they shuffle around every four years doesn't mean a f***ing thing", "you have no rights, what you have is a list of temporary privileges that can be suspended at any time" and "...the real owners of this country, forget the politicians, they're there to give you the illusion you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have owners, they own you. They own all the important land, own all the corporations. They got you by the balls. It's a big club. And you ain't in it."
But my personal favorite, "...term limits won't do you any good, you'll just wind up with another batch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So maybe it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here, like, the public."
George Carlin was completely right.

That's why I like Trump, he isn't part of the establishment. People will mock my support of Trump and then reveal themselves as a supporter of Bush or Rubio or Hilary on the other side. If you support these establishment candidates then all you are is an uneducated, blinded pawn to the people who run that country. The Bushes and Clintons are good friends, predating any of them being in Federal politics, and they are part of the group that has been destroying the US for decades. I can't imagine anyone seeing the direction the country is going and saying that the want to vote the candidate that keeps them on that track. Even if your not Republican, take a look at Bernie Sanders. And watch out because Hilary is stealing the candidacy from him right in front of people and no one even notices or cares.
The media stole the candidacy from Ron Paul in 2012 too. He was the only one that was qualified of that horrific field. I think the most telling moment was in a debate where Romney didn't know something about the Constitution so he said "ask Ron". I couldn't believe anyone would actually vote for Mitt. He talked like a stuck up prick and didn't answer any of the questions asked (granted nobody does). I also remember when Rick Santorum tried to call out Ron Paul on supporting abortion and Paul came back and said "I have never supported abortion, I have voted to keep that right with the states".

Of the candidates this time around I liked John Kasich. But I know he has no chance of winning. I like certain things about Sanders--the fact that he ran a campaign with no money from SuperPacs and wants to break up citizens united and keep money out of politics is a good thing. However I don't really go as far as he goes on some of his government programs. I do get tired of people saying he's a communist, he's not. Yeah he's more socialistic than some of the other candidates but when I consider some of the virtues he runs on it makes me like him. The problem is that his ideas are largely just unworkable.

As far as Trump goes, he certainly can't be worse than what we currently have going on.



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TexasRedDevil wrote: As far as Trump goes, he certainly can't be worse than what we currently have going on.
I dont think the others say they would date their daughter if they weren't married :shock:



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TexasRedDevil wrote: The media stole the candidacy from Ron Paul in 2012 too. He was the only one that was qualified of that horrific field. I think the most telling moment was in a debate where Romney didn't know something about the Constitution so he said "ask Ron". I couldn't believe anyone would actually vote for Mitt. He talked like a stuck up prick and didn't answer any of the questions asked (granted nobody does). I also remember when Rick Santorum tried to call out Ron Paul on supporting abortion and Paul came back and said "I have never supported abortion, I have voted to keep that right with the states".

Of the candidates this time around I liked John Kasich. But I know he has no chance of winning. I like certain things about Sanders--the fact that he ran a campaign with no money from SuperPacs and wants to break up citizens united and keep money out of politics is a good thing. However I don't really go as far as he goes on some of his government programs. I do get tired of people saying he's a communist, he's not. Yeah he's more socialistic than some of the other candidates but when I consider some of the virtues he runs on it makes me like him. The problem is that his ideas are largely just unworkable.

As far as Trump goes, he certainly can't be worse than what we currently have going on.


Why not? It is not new ideas. The same ideas worked in other countries.


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Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:12 am

TexasRedDevil wrote: I like certain things about Sanders--the fact that he ran a campaign with no money from SuperPacs and wants to break up citizens united and keep money out of politics is a good thing. However I don't really go as far as he goes on some of his government programs. I do get tired of people saying he's a communist, he's not. Yeah he's more socialistic than some of the other candidates but when I consider some of the virtues he runs on it makes me like him. The problem is that his ideas are largely just unworkable.
Which policy is unworkable, and why?


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Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:30 pm

I should have phrased that better. It's not that the ideas themselves are not workable, but they will never get passed the legislature.



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Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:47 pm

That applies to virtually any policy though. Hell, even the 9/11 first responders bill had trouble passing, not only the first time, but it's renewal. If you're going to push only for policy that can pass, any policy you do enact will be meek and inspid, and the conversation can never possibly be moved along.

If you want to help people, the status quo has to change. Sanders might not get an American NHS, but more people will be able to receive medical treatment, and without bankrupting themselves for it.


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Relly wrote:National health care is overrated
Said someone from Canada. Why you said so?


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Relly wrote:
TexasRedDevil wrote:The more I see of American politics the more I become convinced that George Carlin was right all along. Among the many things he said the ones that stick out the most are "I don't vote because it's meaningless. This country was bought, sold and paid for a long time ago, the s**t they shuffle around every four years doesn't mean a f***ing thing", "you have no rights, what you have is a list of temporary privileges that can be suspended at any time" and "...the real owners of this country, forget the politicians, they're there to give you the illusion you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have owners, they own you. They own all the important land, own all the corporations. They got you by the balls. It's a big club. And you ain't in it."
But my personal favorite, "...term limits won't do you any good, you'll just wind up with another batch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So maybe it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here, like, the public."
George Carlin was completely right.

That's why I like Trump, he isn't part of the establishment. People will mock my support of Trump and then reveal themselves as a supporter of Bush or Rubio or Hilary on the other side. If you support these establishment candidates then all you are is an uneducated, blinded pawn to the people who run that country. The Bushes and Clintons are good friends, predating any of them being in Federal politics, and they are part of the group that has been destroying the US for decades. I can't imagine anyone seeing the direction the country is going and saying that the want to vote the candidate that keeps them on that track. Even if your not Republican, take a look at Bernie Sanders. And watch out because Hilary is stealing the candidacy from him right in front of people and no one even notices or cares.
Trump has zero ideology and has no basis to back up anything he says. He is running as an ego trip and will say anything to keep his numbers up. He is clearly extremely intelligent. This is evident from the fact that he is tapping into a lot of peoples basest fears and spouting a lot of empty rhetoric which is having exactly the desired effect. Rubio and Cruz showed him up at the last debate however. He can not substantiate his claims that Mexico will pay for his wall nor could he defend claims that he gave away American jobs . Nothing from what I have seen shows Trump to be a "tells it how he sees it" candidate. What gives him that illusion is that hes running on his own money and so can insult who he likes without caring who he offends.

It's also unfair to compare Trump to Sanders. Whether you like his policies or not Sanders does seem to be basing his campaign on an actual ideology and has evidently been consistent throughout his career on this.

If you want a right leaning anti-establishment politician to get behind then why not Cruz? He has got Duck Dynasty behind him.


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Relly wrote:
TexasRedDevil wrote:The more I see of American politics the more I become convinced that George Carlin was right all along. Among the many things he said the ones that stick out the most are "I don't vote because it's meaningless. This country was bought, sold and paid for a long time ago, the s**t they shuffle around every four years doesn't mean a f***ing thing", "you have no rights, what you have is a list of temporary privileges that can be suspended at any time" and "...the real owners of this country, forget the politicians, they're there to give you the illusion you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have owners, they own you. They own all the important land, own all the corporations. They got you by the balls. It's a big club. And you ain't in it."
But my personal favorite, "...term limits won't do you any good, you'll just wind up with another batch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So maybe it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here, like, the public."
George Carlin was completely right.

That's why I like Trump, he isn't part of the establishment. People will mock my support of Trump and then reveal themselves as a supporter of Bush or Rubio or Hilary on the other side. If you support these establishment candidates then all you are is an uneducated, blinded pawn to the people who run that country. The Bushes and Clintons are good friends, predating any of them being in Federal politics, and they are part of the group that has been destroying the US for decades. I can't imagine anyone seeing the direction the country is going and saying that the want to vote the candidate that keeps them on that track. Even if your not Republican, take a look at Bernie Sanders. And watch out because Hilary is stealing the candidacy from him right in front of people and no one even notices or cares.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ


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Seriously, you support this guy?


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You've posted videos by left wing comedians, on networks owned by large media corporations that fund the establishment candidates campaigns every election. Shocker they're making fun of Trump.


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Relly wrote:National health care is overrated
Said someone from Canada. Why you said so?
Because I hate seeing 45% of my paycheck disappear every week. As someone who leads a relatively healthy lifestyle I don't think I should be obligated to pay for the medical treatment of people who smoke cigarettes their whole lives, people who are morbidly obese, people who engage in reckless activities. And when I do need medical treatment I can't get a doctor, so I have to go to the free clinic, which is full of unemployed people who have nothing better to do than go to the doctors every time they sneeze or have a sore body part so they can get medication. I end up spending half the day waiting only to be ushered through in minutes by someone who really couldn't care less what's wrong with me.


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Relly wrote:
TexasRedDevil wrote:The more I see of American politics the more I become convinced that George Carlin was right all along. Among the many things he said the ones that stick out the most are "I don't vote because it's meaningless. This country was bought, sold and paid for a long time ago, the s**t they shuffle around every four years doesn't mean a f***ing thing", "you have no rights, what you have is a list of temporary privileges that can be suspended at any time" and "...the real owners of this country, forget the politicians, they're there to give you the illusion you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have owners, they own you. They own all the important land, own all the corporations. They got you by the balls. It's a big club. And you ain't in it."
But my personal favorite, "...term limits won't do you any good, you'll just wind up with another batch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So maybe it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here, like, the public."
George Carlin was completely right.

That's why I like Trump, he isn't part of the establishment. People will mock my support of Trump and then reveal themselves as a supporter of Bush or Rubio or Hilary on the other side. If you support these establishment candidates then all you are is an uneducated, blinded pawn to the people who run that country. The Bushes and Clintons are good friends, predating any of them being in Federal politics, and they are part of the group that has been destroying the US for decades. I can't imagine anyone seeing the direction the country is going and saying that the want to vote the candidate that keeps them on that track. Even if your not Republican, take a look at Bernie Sanders. And watch out because Hilary is stealing the candidacy from him right in front of people and no one even notices or cares.
Trump has zero ideology and has no basis to back up anything he says. He is running as an ego trip and will say anything to keep his numbers up. He is clearly extremely intelligent. This is evident from the fact that he is tapping into a lot of peoples basest fears and spouting a lot of empty rhetoric which is having exactly the desired effect. Rubio and Cruz showed him up at the last debate however. He can not substantiate his claims that Mexico will pay for his wall nor could he defend claims that he gave away American jobs . Nothing from what I have seen shows Trump to be a "tells it how he sees it" candidate. What gives him that illusion is that hes running on his own money and so can insult who he likes without caring who he offends.

It's also unfair to compare Trump to Sanders. Whether you like his policies or not Sanders does seem to be basing his campaign on an actual ideology and has evidently been consistent throughout his career on this.

If you want a right leaning anti-establishment politician to get behind then why not Cruz? He has got Duck Dynasty behind him.
Did you watch the last debate? I haven't seen too many people claim Rubio or Cruz won. Rubio showed himself to a be a little slim ball, he came in with all these pre-rehearsed insults and this one fact about Trump hiring some people 35 years ago. The best part was when Rubio mention for about the 30th time that Trump gave jobs to these people and Trump responded, I'm the only one who's giving jobs up here, and I've given 10s of 1000s of jobs to Americans! The crowd went nuts.

One of the things people are most critical of Trump is the immigration issue. If anyone watched the debate you would see between the 3 candidates, (disregard Carson and Kasich, everyone is) Trump actually had the least extreme policy, and the other 2 are latin. Trump said he would deport all the illegals but then give them the opportunity to go through the proper channels to return, thus allowing good, contributing Hispanics to return. Cruz said round them all up and they are never coming back. Rubio said the first day in office he would repeal a bill signed by Obama that grants citizenship to children of illegals, thus breaking up families, sending kids to mexico that don't even know the country. The lady from Telemundo (Mexican TV) who asked kept repeating, but your Latino, why would you do this to your people? But the only real crap people can hit Trump with is these false claims of racism so they ignore the fact he is the softest candidate on this issues and keep falsely calling him a racist.

I don't know if you follow American politics, but Cruz is the real nutjob in this race. He is an tea partier to the max, a overly religious person who bases a lot of his politics on and no one in Washington, most of all his own party likes him. One of the things that Americans are most sick of is that there government doesn't work anymore. Every decision comes down to party lines and opposition parties doing everything they can to stop anything the other is trying to do and therefore nothing gets done. Whats going to get done if the leader is hated by everyone? Either way, its not worth talking about, I'm not sure why Cruz would even waste his time running, he will never get his parties nomination.


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Relly wrote:You've posted videos by left wing comedians, on networks owned by large media corporations that fund the establishment candidates campaigns every election. Shocker they're making fun of Trump.
Why not argue with the facts they presented rather then dismissing them? Who cares if they are right or left wing, John Oliver esp presented some valid points.


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Relly wrote:You've posted videos by left wing comedians, on networks owned by large media corporations that fund the establishment candidates campaigns every election. Shocker they're making fun of Trump.
Why not argue with the facts they presented rather then dismissing them? Who cares if they are right or left wing, John Oliver esp presented some valid points.
Because facts are not facts when presented by the opposition - Relly (Trump sheep) logic



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