RED3bution wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:40 pm
Relly wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:43 pm
Still haven't answered why it's the duty of Joe Blow American that can barely afford to feed his own kid to save the world.
You sound like a real fornicate hero, at least that's how you present yourself on the internet, I assume you have some refugee families living with you and that you voluntarily pay more income tax so your government can use it for humanitarian purposes. C'mon hero, don't be so modest, tell us all the good things you're doing.
Lol....Who's Joe Blow? Joe the Plumber?
Your second line response is so personal I have to think you're rattled. All he's saying is that good government is compassionate. If every law were to be executed to the letter you would not like the coldness of society....it is not so much punitive as it is a guide to know what is right and wrong according to society. When somebody insists on breaking society's law as a matter of necessity and non-violently, then maybe that law needs another look. My personal opinion.
You can argue that the system is not working very well for the average American. You're right that immigration could strangle the average American worker (cheaper wages), but I think it is more likely to create an environment that is advantageous to the American worker if they are willing to upgrade their skills. This is about what the US economy needs from its citizens not a government mandate. The uneducated immigrant has no choice but to take up menial jobs or you could say, work their way up from a rung lower than the American worker, and as they climb they too become more American.
There is an inherent problem with capitalism. It creates losers unnfortunately, due to the lobbying power of the rich (the winners) and how much they want to keep on winning (read greed). This will continue to be the case until some form of moderation is incoorporated into the system such as government regulation or economic package designed for the middle class. I am sure you have your ideas but looking to stop immigration is one thing but I think it's like trying to pick up crumbs with the whole pie still on the table. You might get a taste of the pie but if you want a satisfactory fill you must get to that table one way or the other, by your own individual brilliance or by a collective bargain.
Joe Blow is a large portion of Americans, could be anyone.
My second line was born out of frustration from the intellectual dishonesty of Sandies. He ignores a lot of facts I put in front of him to keep pushing his baseless agenda.
First of all, very few people are complaining about immigration in general, most people realize it's necessary to grow a country. What people are arguing about is illegal immigration, however you lefties have a hard time distinguishing them. You know who doesn't like illegal immigration? Legal immigrants, they are some of the biggest critics because they know what they went through to get to the US, so to watch someone sneak in the back door is very frustrating.
And I'm sorry but I 100% disagree that these illegal immigrants are advantageous to Americans. Those people take low skill jobs and accept next to nothing for pay because they aren't in a position to complain. If they weren't there than they would be forced to hire Americans who are out of work, who wouldn't accept those extremely low wages, companies would be forced to pay more for these "low wage" jobs or risk not employee anyone. Then instead of wages being driven down, they are raised up, simple supply and demand.
And capitalism isn't perfect, no system is, but it's pretty fornicate close. Capitalism has raised more people, by far, really far, out of poverty then any other system that's been employed throughout the history of mankind. Even your poor westerners today have big screen tvs, cars, air conditioning and cell phones. Your officially poor people of society have more and live better than most people throughout history.
And sorry, some people just are losers, and if there is no motivation to improve what do you expect from them? Do you really think said loser will become a more productive member of society if you start giving him everything he failed to achieve on his own?